Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
What is the Bible, but some glommed together, disparate books and letters? You see, the Bible, as a volume, doesn’t exist in the Bible. Rather, the only Scripture that could have been referenced was the Torah. Did St. Peter read Luke’s Gospel, or Revelations? I don’t think so. Did ANY of the New Testament writers read what we call the Bible, as a volume? NO!
The beliefs of the Apostles and their successors were generally handed down by word of mouth, as well as by the few epistles, until the close of the Canon of Scripture. There are any number of 1st and 2nd century references to Mary, and even the concept of dulia, latria, and hyperdulia.
Was everything Jesus did recorded in the Bible? Nope. So the argument of something not being Biblical is quite weak.
Do we know that Jesus perfectly obeyed the Commandments? Yes. Would He perfectly honor His mother? Yes. Are we to imitate Christ? Yes. So, isn’t His mother due great (perfect) honor? If Jesus Christ could, as mandated in the 10 Commandments, honor His mother, while simultaneously honoring God the Father (the 1st Commandment), then it is not impossible for anyone else.
This is very good, Lurking... and I will plug in a bit more from Agape:
“From the Annunciation to the Crucifixion of her Son, Mary can be seen as God’s ultimate validation of free will. The Virgin Mary’s obedience to the will of God as conveyed to her in the angel Gabriel’s message was no less voluntary in its affirmation than the disobedience of the virgin Eve had been in its negation. In the 2nd century St. Irenaeus the Bishop of Lyon and a second generation disciple from the Apostle John wrote: “...so also Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. [...]. Thus, the knot of Eve’s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin Eve had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith.” Against Heresies, 3.22.4, Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons.
Mary, as the first human to kiss the face of God and the first to believe in Jesus as her Savior, took her place in Salvation History as the first Christian. She is also the one disciple of Jesus who didn’t flee or doubt when all the others fled and doubted, but who stayed and accepted to the very end the burden of being under the Cross. Down through the ages the weeping Mary of the Cross witnessing her son’s torture and death stands in solidarity with all believers who also suffer and live under the shadow of the Cross.
The gift of Mary to the Church was Jesus’ last human act from the Cross. He placed His mother’s care in the hands of the only apostle present at the cross, the Apostle John, “Seeing his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near her, Jesus said to his mother, ‘Woman, this is your son.’ Then to the disciple he said, ‘This is your mother.’ And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.” [John 19:26-27] This is one of only two scenes in which Mary is present in John’s Gospel. The first is the narrative of the Wedding at Cana in chapter 2 of John’s Gospel. These two scenes in which Mary is present have several things in common. First, Mary is addressed as “gunai” [from the Greek gune] or “dear Woman” by Jesus in both scenes; second, she is never called by name but only identified as “the mother of Jesus”; and third, in both cases a “new family” is formed: at Cana by the wedding itself and in the second scene in John chapter 19 a new family is formed by a kind of adoption in which “the beloved disciple” takes Mary as his mother and in the greater sense, as the mother of Christ’s family, the Church—a role she continues to fill to this day.”
And for all those who erroneously think that Catholics worship Mary as equal to God, I suggest this:
That's an assumption on your part and clearly attributing motive ie making it personal. For someone to not want to risk giving out personal information or contact information to someone who calls himself a lurker is to me at least rather reasonable. I would suggest ceasing the harassment.
How?
You can find NONE of the voluptuous words that Rome has lavished on Mary in the bible.
Thank you for this refreshing COMMON SENSE. :-)
Eating blood was considered a sin by God and He commanded it not be done. Why would you assign to Jesus the act of sinning and Him causing others to do so?
chapter and verse on THAT one, please.
book chapter and verse for proof please
CB
it is not an assumption on my part:
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For the Greater Glory of God
Yeah, she was so important that nobody even kept track of where she lived out her last days after Jesus went to heaven.
Mark Miraville is President of the international Catholic movement, Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici (Voice of the People for Mary Mediatrix). Dr. Miravalle is known for his international lectures in Mariology.
Ah yes....this dude is pushing for the fifth marian dogma. He's taken in so far by the deception he doesn't realize what he's doing. He is being used by the enemy to take the eyes off of Christ and put them on Mary.
This is how the other dogmas of Mary have come about....by popular opinion. See, if you say it long enough and loud enough it has to be true. None, repeat none of this, is supported by Scripture. It's all man-made.
You could not have picked a better source to illustrate the point that catholics worship, and want to worship Mary even more, than this website.
Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici (Voice of the People for Mary Mediatrix) is an international lay organization that seeks to work for the papal definition of our Lady as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate by gathering petitions from the faithful throughout the world in humble support of our Holy Father for this final Marian dogma. Vox Populi humbly calls for our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, to proclaim and define the universal mediation of Mary as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate as "Christian dogma revealed by God, in rightful veneration of the Mother of Jesus, and for the good of the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church of Christ".
Vox Populi has already received nearly 7 million petitions and has also received the endorsements of 43 cardinals and over 550 bishops worldwide from the Universal Church. The two previous popes who defined Marian Dogma, Pius IX and Pius XII, both referred to the international petitions of the faithful as one of the criteria that led to the final acts of papally defining the Marian dogmas of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption.
Why do you deny it? What proof do you have against it? If you ask me for intercessory prayer (which I would gladly give), is it efficacious and why? It is efficacious, because we are part of the Body of Christ. Is the Mother of Jesus Christ part of the Body of Christ? Clearly.
May we pray to any part of the Triune God, without intercession? Of course! The Our Father is one such prayer.
However, we do ask others, whether souls on Earth or souls in Heaven, as we are all part of both the Mystical Body of Christ, and the Communion of Saints (Ephesians 2: 19-21).
So God could make Mary sinless but needed a sinless woman to give birth because He couldn’t make Jesus sinless?
hey your the scripture guy what the heck do you think He was telling you to do in John 6???
53Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him
WE DO WHAT HE COMMANDS US TO DO!!! and YOU DO WHAT???
*correctly translated as gnaws
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam
Wrong answer--you made the assertion. It is up to you to prove it.
very good stuff SumPro
thanks
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam
We hear that a lot from a group of people who bow down to graven images.
And yet here you are.
Is the greatness of God and human expression of this greatness only limited to those words in the Canon of Scripture? I think not.
Do you sing hymns of praise? Are those hymns listed in the Bible, word for word, chapter and verse? Nope.
Did someone have to teach what the verses of the Bible mean? Of course. No one picks up the Bible and understands it perfectly, and independently. We are all taught interpretation as well as explication and explanation. Why?
As humans, our current existence and language is different from the languages the original books were written in. We use new and different words to explain the same concept, and in the case of the Catholic Church, the same concepts handed down from the Apostles and disciples.
Why limit the praises of the Living God? And why limit the understanding of His Highly Favored Lady?
CB
is that important to you?
cause it is meaningless to Catholics.
we all know where we stand viz a viz Jesus and His Mother.
all I can say is don’t worry you little head about it - it ain’t worth your protestant time.
AMDG
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