Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Tis too much the case. Cults and ac certain class of charismatics also do so, yet even they do not imagine they can hear virtually infinite amounts of prayer addressed to them in Heaven!
Fitting, though i believe this part was originally intended to be a parody of Christian belief in God, with Dorothy telling the wizard he should be ashamed of himself for scaring people. Te real think will be what souls can only wish was imaginary.
Oh yeah, and they fall for the stories rather than believe what THE QUOTED THINGS SAY, context or not.
No, they don't all date back to the "time of the early church". It has been shown here often that early church fathers did NOT believe much of what the Catholic Church teaches today.
>>most Catholics learn about how God loves us and expects us to live by stories, not from quotations taken out of context.<<
The core beliefs of the Catholic Church are based on "quotations taken out of context" and corrupted interpretations.
>>Interpreting the bible for dogma without a PhD in Greek, history, and how the early church fathers taught<<
"This seal have thou ever on thy mind; which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures." [A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church (Oxford: Parker, 1845), "The Catechetical Lectures of S. Cyril" Lecture 4.17.]
Regarding the things I say, I should supply even the proofs, so I will not seem to rely on my own opinions, but rather, prove them with Scripture, so that the matter will remain certain and steadfast. [John Chrysostom, Homily 8 On Repentance and the Church, p. 118, vol. 96 TFOTC.]
What is the mark of a faithful soul? To be in these dispositions of full acceptance on the authority of the words of Scripture, not venturing to reject anything nor making additions. For, if ‘all that is not of faith is sin’ as the Apostle says, and ‘faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God,’ everything outside Holy Scripture, not being of faith, is sin. [Basil, The Morals, p. 204, vol 9 TFOTC]
>>is sort of like the thinking of some people who eschew mainstream medicine<<
An example being the veterans administration? Or maybe like don't eat eggs,,,,,no wait eggs are good, or don't drink coffee,,,,,oh wait,,,,,coffee is good,,,,,. The Catholic Church is just like "mainstream medicine" in that what used to be good has been corrupted. The Catholic Church has incorporated paganism which was strictly prohibited by God and has not only corrupted what God says in scripture but has added beliefs that God abhors. Put your trust in the Catholic Church if you want but God's word is not according to God's word and placing your eternal destiny in that institution will not lead to a happy ending.
If you think correcting what the Catholic Church teaches with the truth from scripture is fear you had better think again. It can more truthfully be said that Catholics fear what is written in scripture.
Act 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
In this season of Christmas I will pray for all of you that persecute Jesus, that you may come to know and love Him in the fullness of His Catholic Church.
Oh come now. Jesus is only secondary to Mary in the Catholic Church.
I’ve experienced the bondage of religion and am not going back into it.
I’ll take the fullness of freedom in Christ any day over religion.
Only to the narrow minded bigots and addled minded.
Being a cafeteria Catholic hardly qualifies as being held in bondage, unless it is counted as bondage to the sin of presumption.
Regarding Jeremiah 7:18 and 44:17 you quoted, I was hoping you'd answer your twice asked question: "Who was that "queen of heaven"?".
According to Wiki, "Jeremiah was called to prophetic ministry in c. 626 BC".
At that point in our story, Jesus is but a Promise to be fulfilled and He is the only reason there could or will be a Queen of Heaven, as I understand the math.
Therefore, I haven't a clue who that "queen of heaven" those women were making cakes for could be in their eyes, but I don't see how it could be Mary or anything but a construct of their own, and therefore a false idol.
Obviously, His Mother, Mary, has not yet been created nor chosen by God and He obviously hadn't been born.
Just curious why you bring up those Jeremiah quotes and apply them to Jesus' Mother well before Mary even existed. It's confusing to me.
“I’ve experienced the bondage of religion and am not going back into it.”
+1
“I’ll take the fullness of freedom in Christ any day over religion.”
+2
“But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”
-Jesus Christ Our Lord
Cafeteria Catholics are freer from the bondage of a works based religion
than those entrenched in Catholicism, always striving, always trying doing, doing, doing, performing, and never being sure if it’s going to make any difference.
Freedom in Christ beats being a slave to works and sacraments and forever jumping through the hoops that the Catholic church capriciously sets up for people to do.
I’ve found a righteousness not of my own self but that which comes through faith in Christ, imputed to me through faith.
Louis de Montfort is considered by many as the greatest Marian evangelist of all time. Canonized as a Catholic Saint in 1947, Montfort made the following last day's prediction: The power of Mary over all devils will be particularly outstanding in the last period of time. She will extend the Kingdom of Christ over the idolators and Moslems, and there will come a glorious era in which Mary will be ruler and queen of human hearts.[19]The point is, if the seat of authority is the man in Rome, and not the divine word, then any direction he leads, no matter how adverse to the Gospel, will be defended, excused, or perhaps trivialized when necessary, but ultimately followed by billions of human souls. Then, when thousands of apparitions fill the skies, claiming to be Mary, claiming to offer the peace of God's kingdom to pagans and Muslims without the cost of conversion to Jesus Christ, and Rome comes along and sets the capstone to this by proclaiming Mary co-redemptrix, as dogma, virtually certifying her deity, no matter how much Rome's defenders here deny it, how hard it will be for those who have made that choice to come back to the simplicity of the Gospel as proclaimed in Scripture.
Available here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07/07/25/mary-queen-peace
2 Timothy 4:2-4 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.How can Montfort be a saint when he leads people to accept this Queen of Heaven, when she (not the true Mary) is a deceiver, a usurper to God's own throne, when there is only one who will ever rule the hearts of those who have trusted in Jesus? Caesar has already tried this and failed. We have no monarch but Christ, nor ever will have another, and one day every knee will bow, and every tongue confess, when all the charades are over, and the false apparitions exposed for the frauds they are, that Jesus Christ is Lord, Lord of Lords, King of kings, and of the increase of His kingdom there will be no end. The imposters, both human and otherwise, will have a much shorter run, and a very hard landing.
Funny stuff, completely false, but still funny.
False; you posted confused English; do you proffer yourself as a translator of Greek ? What are your particular qualifications ?
The only place Sola Fide ("faith alone") appears in the Bible is in James where he explicitly teaches us that we are not saved by faith alone. In fact, he teaches by a rhetorical question that one cannot be saved if he says he has faith but does not have works. He further calls the man vain who does accept that faith without works is dead.
Obviously a false statement
“There is no such word as “church” in the New Testament
“Obviously a false statement
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Read it in Greek. It isn’t there.
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