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To: nicmarlo

“Not ignoring anything.”

Yes, you are. See the next thing:

“Baptism does NOT save.”

(For what I believe is the third time) It is grace that saves. Baptism gives us grace. Now, will I have to repeat this yet again in the next post while you claim to not be ignoring anything?

“Faith in Christ Jesus saves.”

Grace saves. We get grace through faith in Christ. And, before you ask, there is only one source of grace but there is more than one way Christ gives it to us.

“Christ said to enter heaven, you MUST be born again; you MUST believe in Him.”

And He also gave us Baptism and that gives us grace.

“Read the Gospel of John.”:

Already have. Many times.

“Read Romans.”

Already have. Many times. You might want to look at Romans 6.

“You are taking out of context part of a line from one Scripture and basing dogma on that text which contradicts what Jesus Himself said is required to be saved.”

No. I took NOTHING out of context. There are many verses that speak of the importance of Baptism.

“That is disingenuous, at best.”

That assertion is disingenuous at best.


1,944 posted on 12/14/2014 6:52:00 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Baptism doesn't GIVE me ANYTHING. Grace is extended, and thereby salvation, THROUGH FAITH alone. Ephesians 1
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 2:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This is Grace: that I have to do NOTHING to add onto what Christ has already done for my salvation, only believe in Him and accept Him as my Savior.

Period.

1,948 posted on 12/14/2014 7:01:24 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: vladimir998
That assertion is disingenuous at best.

And you ARE an expert in this.

2,067 posted on 12/15/2014 5:02:16 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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