...the assumption of Mary based on nothing more than lack of evidence...
Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
(Excerpt) Read more at charismanews.com ...
What I said is factual - as proved by statements about unanimous consent. Notice how the conversation on that point very quickly went completely dead after that? Gee, why? Because it was shown that the anti-Catholic was wrong about unanimous consent. This happens all the time. Anti-Catholics attack the Church not even knowing what they are talking about.
FR hint #714:
Pray to ELSIE; as he has GREAT influence over the Mod; and can get your requests hustled to the front.
Be sure to tell Elsie you love him a lot.
He likes it.
“You guys compiled it.”
That might explain why we don’t make mistakes about what it says and means while Protestant anti-Catholics make mistakes with the turn of every page. Again, notice how no other anti-Catholic will deal with your views on “sleep”? Do you think for a single second that they all agree with you? No, it’s because anti-Catholics are more united in their hatred of God’s Church than in their false Protestant doctrines.
The first one didn’t work out as planned.
“And you STILL don’t get it?”
I apparently have long gotten a better understanding of it than you have.
Until called on it.
“Which part of the CC do you want to see?”
You need to see it, not me.
I can’t even see the post.
I detect a certain bias against cranks.
Why don’t you pray for them?
That is REALLY bad advertising for your chosen religion's mandatory catechism CLASSES!
“I detect a certain bias against cranks.”
Absolutely.
“Why don’t you pray for them?”
I do.
Rome's Mary is the PERFECT example...
...of a frigid wife.
Here is the "word you are looking for".
Μενοῦν - menoun - Short Definition: nay rather [http://biblehub.com/greek/3304.htm]
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - rather, on the contrary
...FR Catholics, after hours of IGNORING their own Church Father's words #352, have decided to deny their true meaning!!!
You've left no crumbs at all.
pitiful...
It CAN'T be; for Francis has NEVER quoted from it!
--Catholic_Wannabe_DUDE(Hail Mary; even if you ARE dead.)
No...the point didn't go away. Sometimes you realize it is not worth the effort to continue a conversation with someone who is constantly redefining words.
Catholics have redefined worship and now unanimous to fit their narrative. From the article you posted earlier, the catholic definition of unanimous means whatever catholics want it to mean. It's like arguing with a four year old.
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