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Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'
Charisma News ^
| 12/3/14
| Mark Andrews
Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum ofsometimes emotionalopinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
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To: BlatherNaut
We honor the Mother of God, the human mother of Our Saviour, in imitation of Christ.Oh?
I've yet to see any evidence that Jesus slathered the adjectives and adverbs on His mom like you Catholics do.
481
posted on
12/11/2014 11:43:03 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: BlatherNaut
LOL Yeah, that's consistently born out by how we have to post beliefs from Catholic sources that Catholics had no idea existed. /s
482
posted on
12/11/2014 11:44:06 AM PST
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: Iscool
The prefix “co-” has different meanings. Sometimes it means to share in something equally. Sometimes, as in this case, it simply means “with.”
By the way, the term “Co-Redemptrix,” as far as I know, has never been officially accepted by the RCC. That is, there’s debate in the RCC over it. So, you’re all getting upset over a term that has never officially been adopted by the RCC.
To: Elsie
Hmmm, hadn’t thought of that one. Inspired it was! I’m tellin yea it was inspired!
484
posted on
12/11/2014 11:45:03 AM PST
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: BlatherNaut
Mocking her, denigrating her, and even treating her dismissively are offenses against God's Commandment and against the Son of God. Sorry, BN, but I mock your chosen religion's artificially imaged woman.
One who is NOT found in Scripture.
Cling to her; plead with her, pray to her, and trust in her all you want; just give ME Jesus!
485
posted on
12/11/2014 11:45:24 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
They got no sense of humour is all.
486
posted on
12/11/2014 11:46:58 AM PST
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: Resettozero; teppe
I'd likely still be an RC if I had been born into this cult. It really meets all of man's carnal needs to be religious. And; if that ain't enough; there is ALWAYS Mormonism!
487
posted on
12/11/2014 11:47:24 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Kandy Atz
>>In those few verses, which are confirmed elsewhere, you see the folly of religion. There is nothing you can do. God did it all. And its a wonderful thing!<<
Amen and Amen!! That no man should boast. All glory to God!
488
posted on
12/11/2014 11:49:15 AM PST
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: CynicalBear; BlatherNaut
>>Jesus instituted the Petrine Office in the person of Peter (Matthew 16:18)<<
If they WON'T listen to the church...
#352
489
posted on
12/11/2014 11:49:44 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Tired of Taxes
>>The term used for Mary is kecharitomene!, meaning "one who's always been filled with grace."<<
Greek source please.
490
posted on
12/11/2014 11:50:26 AM PST
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: ReaganGeneration2
Which is what the teaching on Mary is too - a result of the inspired teachings of early Church fathers and beyond.Well; the beyond part is sure true!
OTOH; didn't your chosen religion's 'early church fathers' start those churches in Asia?
491
posted on
12/11/2014 11:52:11 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Tired of Taxes
I don't care if you disagree with our beliefs, but stop spreading falsehoods about what we believe here.
Point out a falsehood I've posted, Accuser.
492
posted on
12/11/2014 11:53:04 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
The Catholic Church use and interpretation of the word “church” is certainly the sly mechanizations of Satan.
493
posted on
12/11/2014 11:53:24 AM PST
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: BlatherNaut
You take that to mean . . . what?
To: Elsie
JW’s are nicer to me than LDS.
To: Tired of Taxes
And, unfortunately, through the years, I also found that protestant interpretations vary wildly.No doubt you have.
You can find Catholic interpretations, on this thread, that vary widely.
496
posted on
12/11/2014 11:55:03 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Tired of Taxes
You're not Catholic, so you don't know what you're talking about.You have chosen to BE a Catholic; so you; by definition, DO know what you are talking about.
497
posted on
12/11/2014 11:55:56 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: vladimir998
Has Elsie ever read the book? Has Vlad ever read the book?
498
posted on
12/11/2014 11:59:36 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: vladimir998
Oh, so any response will be that, right?
#354
499
posted on
12/11/2014 12:00:06 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
500
posted on
12/11/2014 12:01:23 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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