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Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
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Yes; I agree whole heartedly!
Rome's Mary never got the memo it seems.
I...will...not...go...there...
It’s not a publican; I can assure you!
OOOoooh!
This'll leave a mark!
Can't separate the two. For 1600 years, ALL Christians were Catholics, then some broke away from the church and "protested"..Thus protestants. Now, however, the ONLY TRUE AND COMPLETE Christians are Catholics. Protestants are all the remaining Christians but every denomination is either teaching false interpretation of scripture or else are just incomplete in their concept of what Christianity is...
She just says NO to all of them?
(She’s not breathing still, Jim.)
I have a different perspective than you. It seems to me you (some kind of plural as you use we) neither love Mary nor consider her family. That some Catholics love her and regard her as family really resonates with me. I'm curious. Why do you tend to spam threads with so many posts ? Is that a method to silence those you oppose. I'm not complaining too much though, as you have mostly left off posting Mormon scriptures. Now that is really obnoxious. I also make allowances that some folks here may be home bound, or this is their form of church assembly, etc. I was just curious.
“Don’t try to explain or excuse it away to me. Argue with God if you wish.”
There is no argument. There is no binding command on Christians to destroy buildings once used by pagans. We’re to restore all things in Christ, not destroy all things.
Nothing else you posted proves any point other than you’re still wrong.
“We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service, just as she adopted many other things indifferent in themselves, which seemed proper to enhance the splendor of religious ceremonial. We must not forget that most of these adjuncts to worship, like music, lights, perfumes, ablutions, floral decorations, canopies, fans, screens, bells, vestments etc. were not identified with any idolatrous cult in particular; but they were common to almost all cults” (Catholic Encyclopedia, III, 246.)”
Things like candles are not paganism. Paganism is paganism. Candles are just candles. I always point out that pants were only worn by pagans in the ancient world. If you wear pants now are you a pagan? No, of course not.
“When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs...the god, Woden, in Norse Mythology, descends upon the earth yearly between December 25th and January 6th to bless mankind...But pagan though they be, they are beautiful customs. They help inspire us with the spirit of ‘good will to men’, even as the sublime service of our Church reminds us of the ‘peace on earth’ which the babe of Bethlehem came to bestow” (Externals of the Catholic Church, 140).”
I have no problem whatsoever with Christmas wreathes or trees. They are not paganism. They are things, not a religion. Trees are just trees. Once again you have failed.
First of all one of the original commandments COMMANDS us to keep holy the sabbath. When Christ established the Catholic church He gave her the authority to establish rules in order to better be able to shepherd His flock. He said whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven. The church, in order to assure compliance with the commandment, determined that, when possible, attendance at Mass complied with that order from God.
When He established the Sacrament of the Eucharist, it was evident that to adequately give each of us this extraordinary gift, we would have to meet regularly. Now, if you reject His gift, then other than to hear some biblical passages and a meaningful sermon there is no need to attend Mass. Personally, because I believe in His second greatest gift to mankind (the first was salvation).I regularly attend Mass.....and I thank Him for His gift rather than try to think of reasons why He didn't really do it...
Catholic Church = “We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service,
Catholic Church = “When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs"
“No names mentioned; move along smartly now...”
I very deliberately didn’t mention any names.
“Says the man who NEVER posts anything wrong.”
No, I post typos all the time. What I didn’t post was an error about the content. I was right. I still am.
“Great job; Vlad!”
As usual.
“You’ve called FALSE! on something that wasn’t claimed.”
No, I point out that your point was false and showed you one of the reasons why it is false.
“No ‘teaching’ of worshipping Mary was mentioned;”
It doesn’t matter if it were mentioned. The fact that it has never been taught offers a solid explanation of why it doesn’t exist. And it doesn’t exist.
“just the evidence of it being DONE was presented to the FR jury.”
No, actually it wasn’t. See, this is what amazes me. You seem upset that I “called FALSE! on something that wasn’t claimed” and yet you are falsely claiming you posted evidence that Catholics worship Mary when not a single thing you posted actually shows Mary being identified as god, called god, or worshiped as god. And you apparently don’t even see the irony of what you just said in light of what you have claimed.
“I’ve heard that Mary gets to hear from 12,000,000 Catholics daily.”
So you’re not going to answer the very question you asked me?
“Is this true?”
Nothing is impossible with the power of God behind it?
The is the second post like this and i wonder what they reason for it is? It seems driven by the same inability of RCs to conceive that souls must have a church which does their thinking for them, as they otherwise cannot correctly discern what is of God and what is not, and thus by attacking their church then they can invalidate the believer.
But that will not work here. I gladly go weekly to a nondenominational evangelical assembly of believers, with a good pastor. And while they are not as informed about Rome as i am, the Spirit of Truth which calls for earnestly contending for the faith is there. And i sanctify the Lord's day, not even shopping or doing secular work.
Now either deal with the content of Rome being a wafer-worshiping, demigoddess praying, infallible caesario-papacy, salvation by merit preaching, etc, organization, which i soberly stated as factually the actual case, or admit you can only use diversions by acting as a inquisitor.
We ? How many do you represent ?
If people are shy, embarrassed, secretive, ashamed, or just unwilling to honestly share the group they think is a genuine church and with whom they assemble to share their faith, it makes me wonder why the bother attacking Catholics and their faith, which happens here every day.
It seems to me reasonable that those baptized as Catholics are doing it, trying, as it were, to scrape off that indelible mark at any cost. It doesn't seem to me to work though, as they return to scratch, as it were, over and over again. I also admit freely that some Catholics give in to provocation and lose their tempers, especially when blessed Mary is insulted from their perspective. It is all most unfortunate. Are there no Calvary Chapel folks here who are not ashamed to be associated with and members of Calvary Chapel assemblies ? What would Pastor Chuck Smith say ?
“And still I continue to be falsely accused. Wonder what that would be called?”
#1628 - Syncro wrote:”You will see you fell for my wording so I could find out what the video was about. It worked quite well!”
“If I were prone to pettiness, I would document it all on my profile page.”
Please do. My conscience is clear.
“But naw, it’s pretty clear on this thread what is correct and what is wrong. No reason to hold a grudge and whine about it. Me hold a grudge? Nope, I just like to shine the light of Jesus into the darkness.”
When you shine that light do you deliberately write something untrue so that people might “[fall] for [your] wording”? Just wondering.
“And then here is a necessary mission for Christians:”
Does the necessary mission of Christians include deliberately writing something untrue so that people might “[fall] for [your] wording”?
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