Hahahahaaaa! Again and again...divert and obfuscate is the order of EVERY day!
Look! Squirrel! (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!)
Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
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RM; could you just this once just let us see the PRIVATE replies that AG has gotten from these 'intellectually honest third parties'??
:-)
Sing all you want; but you’ll be taunted for it!
He inspired you Catholics to think it up; RIGHT?
Thanks again.
You have those verses because of translations of Spirit-inspired writings in other languages. Translations require REASON: context, interpretation, conjecture, history. That is how Scripture evolved, that is how Catholic teaching evolved, such as the Immaculare Conception, such as Warrens work, such as your writing above -All of it is potentially inspired and true. If any of the teaching on Mary has a meaning outside the core Truth of Scripture (not literal truth), you show us - you haven’t shown that yet.
Poppycock.
God's Word does not "evolve". Theologians, academics, denominations, and religion may evolve, but not God. His Word is Eternal Truth. (Psalm 119) It is His Wisdom and His Will. He has magnified His Word above His Name. (Psalm 138:2) God's Word is spiritually discerned. Its not reasonable to the carnal mind. Scripture must be rightly divided, which can't be done without the aid of the Holy Spirit. This is what Paul was discussing in 1 Corinthians 2, and also 2 Timothy 2.
You cannot base faith on myths, fables, legends, anecdotes, feelings, dreams, apparitions, superstition, or traditions. Faith is built on God's Eternal Truth. That is why God gave us His Word. He cannot lie. His Word can be trusted. His Word is Spirit and Truth. And for Believers, God gave the Holy Spirit as a guide to reveal Scripture to you. In this age, where the Bible is available in every language, and a multitude of translations, there is no excuse for the ignorance and superstition that reigned for far too long in Christendom.
Faith comes from hearing God's Word. Jesus is referred to as the Living Word, and Word made flesh, because you cannot separate God from the Word. Every Word from God is just as powerful, just as alive, as when He first released it. It is incorruptible seed and nourishment for the child of God. Jesus said he only spoke the Words of His Father. Believers are called to imitate Christ, stay true to His Word and avoid the fables. (Psalm 89:34, Matthew 4:4, John 1, Romans 10:17, Hebrews 4:11-13, 1 Peter 1:23 2 Peter 1:16-21)
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (KJV)
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
You get to choose what you believe. However, I would strongly encourage folks to place their faith in God's Truth, you will never go wrong with His Word in your heart. And when it comes to Mary, very little is said about her in God's Word for a very good reason. She played her brief role and exited the stage. The star of the show is, and always will be, JESUS. From Genesis 1 through Revelation 22, God has given us a revelation of our Savior and Lord. He rightly deserves ALL the attention.
Hebrews 12:2 (AMP)
2 Looking away [from all that will distract] to Jesus, Who is the Leader and the Source of our faith [giving the first incentive for our belief] and is also its Finisher [bringing it to maturity and perfection]. He, for the joy [of obtaining the prize] that was set before Him, endured the cross, despising and ignoring the shame, and is now seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
I'm not sure where you got this. This is not my doctrine. IS it yours?
Well done!!
Aha! There you got it!
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
But we say "Jesus is God" without meaning "Jesus is the Father" or "Jesus is the Spirit."
So we can say "Mary is the Mother of God" (meaning Jesus)_ without saying she is the mother of the Father or of the Spirit.
Hahahahaaaa! Again and again...divert and obfuscate is the order of EVERY day!
Look! Squirrel! (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!)
Not sure what you’re referring to. “Trinity”?
Awesome Psalm.
The Catholic Church certainly honors St. Joseph...we have huge cathedrals named in his honor...we celebrate his feast day...he's Jesus adopted FATHER.......never mind that nonsense call no one father...
that was a great prayer, I hadn't seen it before...thanks....by the way, all through the prayer the supplicant is asking Mary to intervene on his/her behalf to ask her Son for whatever favors the person desires....somehow I can't have too much concern that this could be a bad thing....I'd rather ask her and get a negative answer that to convince myself that she couldn't be of any benefit to me at all....think about it...
your post 882 if I felt that all those saints and brilliant people disagreed with my private interpretation of what scripture meant, I think I might reconsider from whence I came up with my own ideas and listen more carefully as to what they had to say........just saying.
shown and explained by who???those who wandered onto the scene 11,600 years after the event??
my Douay version states Luke 1:28 and the angel being come in said unto her: hail full of grace, the Lord is with thee,blessed art thou among women. Translated 1582. I have no idea of what the kjv says about anything and I'll take the translation from the Vulgate as pretty much the truth.
your fear that the Catholic church is right and that your conceived notion of what Christianity is, might be wrong, borders on paranoia
when you can't answer a question, you resort to childish nonsense...
Where does Scripture say that Mary is not the mother of God.against another.
Catholics don't go beyond what is written...Christ was God, Mary was the mother of Christ, Christ was 100% God and He was 100% man...you cannot separate the two...He was not half and half....if Mary was mother of his manhood, then she was the mother of His Godhood.....Jesus was NOT a man in whom God later infused Himself. He was ALL man and ALL God from the moment of His conception.....why is that so hard for protestants to accept???
33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
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