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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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Pure myth! That is today’s typical view of a literal Adam and Eve. Yet, contrary to current skepticism, a real Adam and Eve remain credible—both in terms of Catholic doctrine and sound natural science.

By calling the Genesis story a “myth,” people avoid saying it is mere “fantasy,” that is, with no foundation in reality at all. While rejecting a literal first pair of human parents for all mankind, they hope to retain some “deeper” truth about an original “sinful human condition,” a “mythic” meaning. They think that the latest findings in paleoanthropology and genetics render a literal pair of first true human parents to be “scientifically impossible.”

The prevailing assumption underlying media reports about human origins is that humanity evolved very gradually over vast periods of time as a population (a collection of interbreeding organisms), which itself originally evolved from a Homo/Pan (human/chimpanzee) common ancestor millions of years ago. Therefore, we are not seen as descendants of the biblical Adam and Eve.

This universal evolutionary perspective leads many Catholics and others to conclude that a literal Adam and Eve is “scientifically impossible” for two reasons: First, paleoanthropologists deny the sudden appearance of intelligent, self-reflective, fully-human primates, but rather view the emergence of consciousness and intelligence as taking place slowly and incrementally over long periods of time. Second, in light of recent findings in molecular biology, especially from studies based on genetic data gleaned from the Human Genome Project, it is claimed that the hominin population (the primate group from which modern man is said to have arisen) has never had a bottleneck (reduced population) of a single mating pair in the last seven or more million years: no literal Adam and Eve. Many succumb to the modernist tendency to “adjust” Church teaching to fit the latest scientific claims—thus intimidating Catholics into thinking that divinely revealed truths can be abandoned—“if need be.”

This skepticism of a literal Adam and Eve begs for four much needed corrections.

First, Church teaching about Adam and Eve has not, and cannot, change. The fact remains that a literal Adam and Eve are unchanging Catholic doctrine. Central to St. Paul’s teaching is the fact that one man, Adam, committed original sin and that through the God-man, Jesus Christ, redemption was accomplished (Romans 5:12-21; 1 Cor. 15: 21-22). In paragraphs 396-406, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaks of Adam and Eve as a single mating pair who “committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state” (CCC, 404). “Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back toward God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle” (CCC, 405). The doctrines surrounding original sin cannot be altered “without undermining the mystery of Christ” (CCC, 389).

Today, many think that Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani generis did not definitively exclude theological polygenism. What they fail to notice, though, is that the Holy Father clearly insists that Scripture and the Magisterium affirm that original sin “proceeds from a sin truly committed by one Adam [ab uno Adamo]” and that this sin is transmitted to all true human beings through generation (para. 37). This proves that denial of a literal Adam (and his spouse, Eve) as the sole first genuinely human parents of all true human beings is not theologically tenable.

Second, rational human nature itself requires that mankind made an instant appearance on planet Earth. Paleoanthropological claims of gradual appearance of specifically human traits fail to comport with a true philosophy of human nature. Reflecting classical Christian thought, St. Thomas Aquinas demonstrates that true man is distinguished essentially from lower animals by possession of an intellectual and immortal soul, which possesses spiritual powers of understanding, judgment, and reasoning (Summa theologiae I, 75). While these qualitatively superior abilities are manifested through special forms of tool making or culture or art, they need not always be evident in the paleontological record. Sometimes true men share mere animal survival behavior and sometimes truly human behavior is lost to modern sight due to the ravages of time. What matters is that genuinely spiritual powers are either present or not, and that these alone bespeak the presence of true man. Irrational animals, including subhuman primates, are capable of complex sentient behaviors often approaching or imitating the rational activities of true man. But an animal either possesses a spiritual, intellectual soul or not. Thus at some point in time, true man suddenly appears—whether visible to modern science or not. Before that time, all subhuman behavior manifests merely material sensory abilities. The fact that positivistic scientists cannot discern the first presence of true man is hardly remarkable.

Third, a correct understanding of the scientific (inductive) method reveals that it cannot ever logically exclude the possibility of two sole founders of humanity. Natural scientific studies employ the inductive method of reasoning. Empirically observed data is employed to form testable hypotheses. Molecular biologists use computer models in an attempt to validate such hypotheses and reach conclusions about genetic conditions in early primate populations. In this process, some researchers have committed the logically invalid move of inferring from particular data to the universally negative claim that a literal Adam and Eve is impossible. Such methodology produces, at best, solely probable conclusions, based on available evidence and the assumptions used to evaluate the data. There is the inherent possibility that an unknown factor will alter the conclusion, similarly as was the unexpected discovery of black swans in Australia, when the whole world “knew” all swans were white.

Fourth, specific scientific arguments against Adam and Eve have proven not as forceful as many presently believe (Gauger 2012). For example, some have claimed that effective population size estimates for the last several million years would not permit just two true humans to have lived during that time. Still, the technical concept of average effective population size estimates should not be confused with an actual “bottleneck” (a temporarily reduced population) which may be much smaller. Effective population size estimates can vary from as high as 14,000 (Blum 2011) to as low as 2,000 (Tenesa 2007), depending on the methods used.

Such calculations rely upon many assumptions about mutation rate, recombination rate, and other factors, that are known to vary widely. All of this entails retrospective calculations about events in the far distant past, for which we have no directly verifiable data. For such reasons, some experts have concluded that effective population size cannot be determined using DNA sequence differences alone (Sjödin 2005; Hawks 2008).

Indeed, the most famous genetic study proclaimed as a “scientific objection” to Adam and Eve turned out to be based on methodological errors. An article by geneticist Francisco J. Ayala appearing in the journal, Science (1995), led many to believe that a founding population of only two individuals was impossible. Ayala based his challenge to monogenism (two sole founders of humanity) on the large number of versions (alleles) of the particular gene HLA-DRB1, which are present in the current population. Accepting the common ancestor theory, he claimed that there were thirty-two ancient lineages of the HLA-DRB1 gene prior to the Homo/Pan split (approximately seven million years ago). Over time, these “pre-split” lineages, themselves, evolved into the new additional versions present today. Because each individual carries only two versions of a gene, a single founding pair could not have passed on the thirty-two versions that Ayala claimed existed some seven million years ago—either at that time or at any time since. A bottleneck of just two true humans, Adam and Eve, was “scientifically impossible.”

However, Ayala’s claim of thirty-two ancient HLA-DRB1 lineages (prior to the Homo/Pan split) was wrong because of methodological errors. The number of lineages was subsequently adjusted by Bergström (1998) to just seven at the time of the split, with most of the genetic diversity appearing in the last 250,000 years. A still later study coming out of Bergström’s group inferred that just four such lineages existed more than five million years ago, but that a few more appeared soon thereafter (von Salomé 2007). While two mating hominins can transmit four lineages, the few additional later ones still require explanation.

These genetic studies, based on many assumptions and use of computer models, do not tell us how the origin of the human race actually took place. But, they do show (1) that methodological limitations and radical contingency are inherent in such studies, which are employed to make retroactive judgments about deeply ancient populations that can never be subject to direct observation, and (2) that present scientific claims against the possibility of a literal Adam and Eve are not definitive (Gauger 2012, 105-122).

Philosopher Kenneth W. Kemp and others have suggested that interbreeding between true humans and subhuman primates in the same biological population might account for presently observed genetic diversity (Kemp 2011). Such interbreeding is not to be confused with the marriages between true human siblings and cousins which would have occurred in the first generations following Adam and Eve, which unions were a necessary part of God’s plan for the initial propagation of mankind (Gen. 1:28).

The difficulty with any interbreeding solution (save, perhaps, in rare instances) is that it would place at the human race’s very beginning a severe impediment to its healthy growth and development. Natural law requires that marriage and procreation take place solely between a man and a woman, so that children are given proper role models for adult life. So too, even if the union between a true human and a subhuman primate were not merely transitory, but lasting, the defective parenting and role model of a parent who is not a true human being would introduce serious disorder in the proper functioning of the family and education of children. Hence, widespread interbreeding is not an acceptable solution to the problem of genetic diversity.

Moreover, given the marked reduction in the number of ancient HLA-DRB1 alleles found by the later genetic studies of Bergström and von Salomé, it may turn out that no interbreeding is needed at all, or at most, that very rare instances of it may have occurred. Such rare events might not even entail the consent of true human beings, since they could result from an attack by a subhuman male upon a non-consenting human female.

A literal Adam and Eve remains rationally, scientifically credible.

Since the same God is author both of human reason and of authentic revelation, legitimate natural science, properly conducted, will never contradict Catholic doctrine, properly understood. Catholic doctrine still maintains that a literal Adam and Eve must have existed, a primal couple who committed that personal original sin, which occasioned the need for, and the divine promise of, the coming of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

Editor’s note: The image above is a detail from “The Fall of Man” painted by Hendrik Goltzius in 1616.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: adam; adamandeve; creation; crevo; crevolist; eve; evolution; fazalerana; gardenofeden; genesis; hughross; originalparents; origins
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To: Elsie; Partisan Gunslinger
"Where DO you GET this stuff??!!

" The Book states NONE of this!"

It's all in Pastor Murray's book of tricks...

701 posted on 11/28/2014 7:07:57 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Elsie

Trade secret.

*Evil laugh*


702 posted on 11/28/2014 7:10:10 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon

We’ll be getting MORE of this crap as time goes by!

http://www.history.com/shows/search-for-the-lost-giants/videos


703 posted on 11/28/2014 7:11:15 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

No, you are not the messenger, you are playing the deciever on this.

Making men in Gods image does not make us “sons of God.”

That is a term that has a special meaning WRT the first resurrection.

“To them gave he the power to BECOME sons of God.”

If we were sons of God, we wouldn’t need to become sons of God.

We are sons of man, until the first resurrection.


704 posted on 11/28/2014 7:13:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

Ya know, I remember when the History Channel showed history.

This stuff is proof that the low-info crowd has taken over.


705 posted on 11/28/2014 7:14:29 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: CatherineofAragon

*Evil laugh*



706 posted on 11/28/2014 7:22:31 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; Boogieman

>> “I read part of the book of Enoch, it struck me as untrue and not very old.” <<

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It is among the oldest writings we have, dating to close to 300 B.C.

It is also corroborated by the Book of Jude, as to the facts WRT the fallen angels.

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707 posted on 11/28/2014 7:23:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

LOL!!!

I love it. That scene scared me stiff when I was a little kid. I think it still scares me a little bit, lol.


708 posted on 11/28/2014 7:24:33 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: editor-surveyor

I’ll let the Jews figure out the phase.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_God


709 posted on 11/28/2014 7:25:09 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
That is a term that has a special meaning WRT the first resurrection.

Ah...

I see...

710 posted on 11/28/2014 7:26:17 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

>> “So these angels, which do NOT marry in Heaven; were given PERMISSION to impregnate human women; eh?” <<

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My how you twist things!

Had they been given permission, they would not now be held in everlasting chains.

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711 posted on 11/28/2014 7:31:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

I doubt that you see much.

(judging by what you post anyway)


712 posted on 11/28/2014 7:32:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

We don’t care much what the Pharisees say.

Yeshua denounced them, so I must do so too.


713 posted on 11/28/2014 7:33:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

Words to comfort the afflicted; and words to afflict the comfortable.


Yeah, I am probably in need of the latter even though I am not that comfortable.


714 posted on 11/28/2014 7:58:52 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Elsie

With the mind come mental illnesses. God evidently understood that with the solemnity of homosexuality’s condemnation. We’ll eventually be the first people see where this leads as it’s never been experienced in history before that a society has so openly endorsed it. But if God condemned it He did so for a reason. And to tempt God can be historically shown to not be a good thing.


715 posted on 11/28/2014 8:14:27 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Elsie

It references the angels in heaven, not the fallen angels on earth nor those incarcerated in Tartarus.


716 posted on 11/28/2014 8:15:20 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Romans 11:4. God has them reserved to not bow to antiChrist. There are also the 144,000 of the elect that lived throughout time. God has them already justified, He can interfere in their lives therefore.

Correction...God DID reserve 7000 that did not bow their knee to Baal, as He told Elijah, who was in fear for his life fleeing to Horeb from Ahab and Jezebel and who thought he was alone in worshiping the true God. That was spoken of in I Kings 19:18, "Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and whose mouths have not kissed him." You claimed, however:

    There will be 7000 of us, not just me. Only 7000 will not worship antiChrist when he arrives. The rest are more into playing games and playing church rather than preparing themselves for the great deceiver. It's so easy to one of the 7000 out of 7 billion, don't fall for the great deceiver.

You included yourself among a group of 7000 FUTURE believers who will not worship the anti-christ, the false prophet or the Beast. This was NOT what Paul referred to in Romans 11:4, but he was assuring Christians that God ALWAYS has a remnant of true believers even when all looks bleak. That remnant will be FAR greater than the 7000 specifically spoken about to Elijah. It was why Paul continued:

    So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

    What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, as it is written:

      “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”


    And David says:


      “May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.” (Rom. 11:6-10)

I also disagree with your contention that "there are also the 144,000 of the elect that lived throughout time". We know from Revelation chapters 7 and 14 that this group will be 12,000 men from each of the ten tribes of Israel (Rev. 7:4)who are virgins (Rev. 14:4), who are sealed by God with His mark upon their foreheads (Rev. 7:3) and protected from the fierce judgments of God upon the earth and who God will use in a miraculous way to turn all Israel back to the Messiah and lead them to the Lord. From the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary:

    As the fourteenth chapter begins with the 144,000 of Israel (compare Re 7:4-8, no longer exposed to trial as then, but now triumphant), so the fifteenth chapter begins with those who have overcome from among the Gentiles (compare Re 15:1-5 with Re 7:9-17); the two classes of elect forming together the whole company of transfigured saints who shall reign with Christ.

    1. a—A, B, C, Coptic, and Origen read, "the."

    Lamb … on … Sion—having left His position "in the midst of the throne," and now taking His stand on Sion.

    his Father's name—A, B, and C read, "His name and His Father's name."

    in—Greek, "upon." God's and Christ's name here answers to the seal "upon their foreheads" in Re 7:3. As the 144,000 of Israel are "the first-fruits" (Re 14:4), so "the harvest" (Re 14:15) is the general assembly of Gentile saints to be translated by Christ as His first act in assuming His kingdom, prior to His judgment (Re 16:17-21, the last seven vials) on the Antichristian world, in executing which His saints shall share. As Noah and Lot were taken seasonably out of the judgment, but exposed to the trial to the last moment [De Burgh], so those who shall reign with Christ shall first suffer with Him, being delivered out of the judgments, but not out of the trials. The Jews are meant by "the saints of the Most High": against them Antichrist makes war, changing their times and laws; for true Israelites cannot join in the idolatry of the beast, any more than true Christians. The common affliction will draw closely together, in opposing the beast's worship, the Old Testament and New Testament people of God. Thus the way is paved for Israel's conversion. This last utter scattering of the holy people's power leads them, under the Spirit, to seek Messiah, and to cry at His approach, "Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord."


717 posted on 11/28/2014 8:59:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

I may have missed a previous post. How from your studies did you arrive at 7000 only enduring the delusion of the antichrist?


718 posted on 11/28/2014 9:55:12 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: boatbums

Indeed last I checked John witnessed a multitude in Heaven in white robes. 7000 does not make a multitude. It is the size of a Corps headquarters.

Revelation 7:9King James Version (KJV)

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


719 posted on 11/28/2014 10:54:34 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; boatbums; editor-surveyor

>>I guess that may not mean much to some but to me it means to think of the situation and use discernment to put the verses being studied in the proper context.<<

You mean verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book?


720 posted on 11/28/2014 10:59:51 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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