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Cardinal says church under Pope Francis is a ‘rudderless ship’
Religion News Service ^ | October 31, 2014 | Josephine McKenna

Posted on 10/31/2014 2:15:27 PM PDT by ebb tide

VATICAN CITY (RNS) American Cardinal Raymond Burke, the feisty former archbishop of St. Louis who has emerged as the face of the opposition to Pope Francis’ reformist agenda, likened the Roman Catholic Church to “a ship without a rudder” in a fresh attack on the pope’s leadership.

In an interview with the Spanish Catholic weekly Vida Nueva, published Thursday (Oct. 30), Burke insisted he was not speaking out against the pope personally but raising concern about his leadership.

“Many have expressed their concerns to me. At this very critical moment, there is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder,” Burke said.

“Now, it is more important than ever to examine our faith, have a healthy spiritual leader and give powerful witness to the faith.”

Burke is the current head of the Vatican’s highest court known as the Apostolic Signatura, but he said recently he is about to be demoted. There is speculation he will be made patron of the Order of Malta, a largely ceremonial post.

“I have all the respect for the Petrine ministry and I do not want to seem like I am speaking out against the pope,” he said in the interview. “I would like to be a master of the faith, with all my weaknesses, telling a truth that many currently perceive.”

“They are feeling a bit seasick because they feel the church’s ship has lost its way,” he added.

Burke has expressed an uncompromising stance on keeping the ban on Communion for Catholics who divorce and remarry without an annulment, and is one of five conservative cardinals who aired their views in a new book, “Remaining in the Truth of Christ,” released on the eve of the bishops’ blockbuster synod in early October.

When the synod signaled a more welcoming tone to gay and lesbian Catholics, Burke publicly accused the global gathering of bias and was among those who pushed for a less conciliatory approach in the final report.

Burke had previously said that Catholic families should not expose children to the “evil” of homosexuality by inviting a gay son home for Christmas with his partner.

In his latest interview, Burke said the church was “the pillar of marriage” and challenged the pope’s revolutionary “Who am I to judge?” remark on gay people.

“The acts must be judged; I do not think that the pope thinks differently. They are sinful and unnatural. The pope never said we can find positive elements in them. It is impossible to find positive elements in an evil act.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: burke; evil; francis; good; popefrancis; raymondburke; romancatholicism
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To: ebb tide; SpirituTuo
“The pope, more than anyone else as the pastor of the universal church, is bound to serve the truth,” Burke said. “The pope is not free to change the church’s teachings with regard to the immorality of homosexual acts or the insolubility of marriage or any other doctrine of the faith.” Raymond Burke, and seconded by Pope Francis.

Pope Francis himself has reiterated this on several occasions. But many are not listening.

21 posted on 10/31/2014 3:33:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis himself has reiterated this on several occasions. But many are not listening.

Many understand that talk is cheap, and are scrutinizing his actions as well as his words.

22 posted on 10/31/2014 3:40:34 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
>>So you know of a church that is not composed of and led by frail human beings?<<

The only one I know of is the assembly of believers, the body of Christ, led by only Christ Himself and guided by the Holy Spirit.

23 posted on 10/31/2014 3:42:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; SpirituTuo

Then why did Pope Francis propose Holy Communion for adulterers on his plane trip back from his Rio World Yute Day?

Why did Francis choose Kasper to preach in favor of the same heresy?

>>I would like to thank him, because I found a deep theology, and serene thoughts in theology. It is nice to read serene theology. It did me well and I had an idea, and excuse me if I embarrass Your Eminence, but the idea is: this is called doing theology while kneeling. Thank you. Thank you.<<

Since when is condoning mortal sin doing “theology while kneeling”? They have lost the faith.


24 posted on 10/31/2014 3:44:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: CynicalBear

So you have DIY religion. Good for you.


25 posted on 10/31/2014 3:49:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis himself has reiterated this on several occasions. But many are not listening.

Why did Francis phone an adulteress and advise her to sneak around and find another church where she could receive Holy Communion while in a state of mortal sin?

26 posted on 10/31/2014 3:50:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
>>So you have DIY religion. Good for you.<<

Following scripture alone is DIY?? Trusting Jesus alone rather than some fallible man is DIY?? Any religion that has a carnal man as head is a cult.

27 posted on 10/31/2014 4:18:00 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

You can interpret the bible any way you want. Very convenient.


28 posted on 10/31/2014 4:19:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
>>You can interpret the bible any way you want.<<

Would you please show where I said that?

29 posted on 10/31/2014 4:24:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ebb tide
This is the entire transcript of Pope Francis' remarks on the airplane back from World Youth Day, on marriage. At no point did he propose Holy Communion for adulterers:

About the problem of Communion to those persons in a second union, that the divorced might participate in Communion, there is no problem. When they are in a second union, they can't. [My note: that's about as plain as you can get, isn't it?]

I believe that it is necessary to keep this within the entirety of pastoral care of marriage. And for this it is a problem. But also... a parenthesis, the Orthodox have a different praxis. They follow the theology of economy, as they called it, and they give a second chance, they allow it. But I believe that this problem, and I close the parenthesis, must be studied in the framework of marriage pastoral ministry.

And for this, two things: first, one of the themes to be consulted with the eight of this council of cardinals, with whom we'll be meeting the 1st, 2nd and 3rd of October, is how to move ahead in the pastoral care of marriage, and this problem will come up there.

And, a second thing, the secretary of the Synod of Bishops was with me 15 days ago for the theme of the next Synod. It was an anthropological theme, but speaking and speaking again, coming and going, we have seen this anthropological theme, the faith, how it helps the planning of the person, but in the family, and going then on to the pastoral care of marriage.

We are on the path for a more profound pastoral care of marriage. And, this is a problem for all, because there are so many, right? For instance, I'll tell you of just one, Cardinal Quarracino, (9) my predecessor, said that for him half of all marriages are null. That's what he said. Why? Because they are married without maturity, they get married without realizing that it's for an entire lifetime, or they are married because socially they must get married.

And in this also pastoral care of marriage is a factor. And also the judicial problem of the nullity of marriage, that must be revisited, because the ecclesiastical courts aren't enough for this.

It is complex, the problem of the pastoral care of marriage. Thank you.


30 posted on 10/31/2014 4:59:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: ebb tide
I personally think Cardinal Kasper's influence on the other Bishops gets lower and lower, the more he runs his mouth.Most Leftists, when they think they have the power, overplay their hand. And Casper certainly has. Pope Francis is giving Cardinal Kasper enough rope to hang himself.

Rhetorically speaking.

And whether intentional or not, that's how it's turning out.

31 posted on 10/31/2014 5:02:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I believe that it is necessary to keep this within the entirety of pastoral care of marriage. And for this it is a problem. But also... a parenthesis, the Orthodox have a different praxis. They follow the theology of economy, as they called it, and they give a second chance, they allow it. But I believe that this problem, and I close the parenthesis, must be studied in the framework of marriage pastoral ministry.

Thus, his evil Sin-Nod.

32 posted on 10/31/2014 5:06:11 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o

But Francis holds Kasper in his highest esteem. If Kasper hangs, Francis hangs.


33 posted on 10/31/2014 5:07:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
All we know about this is what not the Pope, not the woman, but the woman's husband said, on Facebook.

YOu are so quick to condemn the pope that you would lambaste him on the basis of thirdhand hearsay? The exact contents of which neither the wife nor the pope confirmed?

Where is your care for --- if not charity --- then at least bare-bones due process? Where is your common sense in the weighing of evidence? Where is your concern for just judgment?

I hate to keep harping on Rash Judgment - Detraction - Slander, those three allied and deadly sins of the tongue (and keyboard), but there you are.

34 posted on 10/31/2014 5:08:52 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: ebb tide
"Studying" something "in the framework of marriage pastoral ministry" is the same as condoning sin?

THis is rash judgment and evil innuendo. Take care.

35 posted on 10/31/2014 5:11:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: al_c

I wonder if Cardinal Burke was referencing the Sensus Fidei when he said that.


36 posted on 10/31/2014 5:11:38 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Why don’t we study sodomy next?

Take care.

Wake up!


37 posted on 10/31/2014 5:13:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Not so. That is the Left's intepretation and the EneMedia interpretation. Please be cautious about making it ours as well: it you their inadvertent asset.

Are you praying for Pope Francis? He can deliver a coup de grace after Kasper has fully exposed himself --- which Kasper is clearly proud and incautious enough to do.

38 posted on 10/31/2014 5:14:33 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: ebb tide
It's wrong to study sodomy? We study all the sins in Moral Theology. We learn to root them out in Pastoral Theology.

I'll close here. I have an important bowl of potato soup to attend to.

39 posted on 10/31/2014 5:16:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Soup and sodomy just don’t mix. Enjoy your “meal”.


40 posted on 10/31/2014 5:18:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
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