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Pope Francis calls for abolishing death penalty and life imprisonment
catholicnews.com ^ | Oct-23-2014 | Francis X. Rocca

Posted on 10/23/2014 1:37:07 PM PDT by Gamecock

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis called for abolition of the death penalty as well as life imprisonment, and denounced what he called a "penal populism" that promises to solve society's problems by punishing crime instead of pursuing social justice.

"It is impossible to imagine that states today cannot make use of another means than capital punishment to defend peoples' lives from an unjust aggressor," the pope said Oct. 23 in a meeting with representatives of the International Association of Penal Law.

All Christians and people of good will are thus called today to struggle not only for abolition of the death penalty, whether it be legal or illegal and in all its forms, but also to improve prison conditions, out of respect for the human dignity of persons deprived of their liberty. And this, I connect with life imprisonment," he said. "Life imprisonment is a hidden death penalty."

The pope noted that the Vatican recently eliminated life inprisonment from its own penal code.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, cited by Pope Francis in his talk, "the traditional teaching of the church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor," but modern advances in protecting society from dangerous criminals mean that "cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

The pope said that, although a number of countries have formally abolished capital punishment, "the death penalty, illegally and to a varying extent, is applied all over the planet," because "extrajudicial executions" are often disguised as "clashes with offenders or presented as the undesired consequences of the reasonable, necessary and proportionate use of force to apply the law."

The pope denounced the detention of prisoners without trial, who he said account for more than 50 percent of all incarcerated people in some countries. He said maximum security prisons can be a form of torture, since their "principal characteristic is none other than external isolation," which can lead to "psychic and physical sufferings such as paranoia, anxiety, depression and weight loss and significantly increase the chance of suicide."

He also rebuked unspecified governments involved in kidnapping people for "illegal transportation to detention centers in which torture is practiced."

The pope said criminal penalties should not apply to children, and should be waived or limited for the elderly, who "on the basis of their very errors can offer lessons to the rest of society. We don't learn only from the virtues of saints but also from the failings and errors of sinners."

Pope Francis said contemporary societies overuse criminal punishment, partially out of a primitive tendency to offer up "sacrificial victims, accused of the disgraces that strike the community."

The pope said some politicians and members of the media promote "violence and revenge, public and private, not only against those responsible for crimes, but also against those under suspicion, justified or not."

He denounced a growing tendency to think that the "most varied social problems can be resolved through public punishment ... that by means of that punishment we can obtain benefits that would require the implementation of another type of social policy, economic policy and policy of social inclusion."

Using techniques similar to those of racist regimes of the past, the pope said, unspecified forces today create "stereotypical figures that sum up the characteristics that society perceives as threatening."

Pope Francis concluded his talk by denouncing human trafficking and corruption, both crimes he said "could never be committed without the complicity, active or passive, of public authorities."

The pope spoke scathingly about the mentality of the typical corrupt person, whom he described as conceited, unable to accept criticism, and prompt to insult and even persecute those who disagree with him.

"The corrupt one does not perceive his own corruption. It is a little like what happens with bad breath: someone who has it hardly ever realizes it; other people notice and have to tell him," the pope said. "Corruption is an evil greater than sin. More than forgiveness, this evil needs to be cured."


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To: truth_seeker

“Nothing new. The Catholic church has opposed the death penalty for as long as I remember.”

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“The pope said criminal penalties should not apply to children, and should be waived or limited for the elderly, who “on the basis of their very errors can offer lessons to the rest of society. We don’t learn only from the virtues of saints but also from the failings and errors of sinners.”


21 posted on 10/23/2014 1:47:52 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Bettyprob
Many countries do not have life imprisonment. Mexico, for example, is 30 years maximum.

Yeah, now there's a country I want to emulate. /s

22 posted on 10/23/2014 1:48:27 PM PDT by dfwgator (The "Fire Muschamp" tagline is back!)
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To: Bettyprob

good deal. kill your family when you’re 18 and walk around free from 48 tip you die of old age.

What is moral about letting someone who takes an innocent life not forfeit their own?


23 posted on 10/23/2014 1:48:53 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Gamecock

Only a guy with a 24 hour armed guard would think it’s wrong to not let murderers back out on the street.


24 posted on 10/23/2014 1:48:54 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: morphing libertarian

till you die


25 posted on 10/23/2014 1:49:08 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Gamecock
Pope Francis called for abolition of the death penalty as well as life imprisonment, and denounced what he called a "penal populism" that promises to solve society's problems by punishing crime instead of pursuing social justice. "It is impossible to imagine that states today cannot make use of another means than capital punishment to defend peoples' lives from an unjust aggressor," the pope said Oct. 23 in a meeting with representatives of the International Association of Penal Law. "All Christians and people of good will are thus called today to struggle not only for abolition of the death penalty, whether it be legal or illegal and in all its forms, but also to improve prison conditions, out of respect for the human dignity of persons deprived of their liberty. And this, I connect with life imprisonment," he said. "Life imprisonment is a hidden death penalty." The pope noted that the Vatican recently eliminated life inprisonment from its own penal code.

In Before The Pope Was Mistranslated Again

26 posted on 10/23/2014 1:49:23 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Bettyprob

“Many countries do not have life imprisonment. Mexico, for example, is 30 years maximum. “

You should be sure of your facts before posting.


27 posted on 10/23/2014 1:51:16 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Gamecock

Maybe The Pope can shelter killers at the Vatican, especially serial
killers. All they need is a little understanding.


28 posted on 10/23/2014 1:51:22 PM PDT by tennmountainman (True conservatives don't like being rained on by their own party!)
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To: Gamecock

Yes...send all the “fallen” to live in the country of Vatican City.


29 posted on 10/23/2014 1:52:11 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Bettyprob

“Many countries do not have life imprisonment. Mexico, for example, is 30 years maximum.”

Since when did we start holding up Mexico as an example of how a country SHOULD be run?


30 posted on 10/23/2014 1:52:15 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Tax-chick

Yep. Catholic Church has not supported the Death Penalty for a long time. Although the fubared headline makes it appear that they want to do away with life sentences as well.


31 posted on 10/23/2014 1:52:18 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Gamecock

I wonder if the pope has met any serial killers?


32 posted on 10/23/2014 1:53:53 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Gamecock

Neutering and lobotomy should be considered.


33 posted on 10/23/2014 1:54:08 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

It’s possible that Pope Francis made comments regarding life sentences, but I’m not going to dig for the kernel of truth in the everylasting media hogwash.

The Catholic Church doesn’t like death penalties. I understand that: once you’re dead, you can’t repent. The prudential issues regarding protecting the innocent from criminals are complex. Personally, I’m a supporter of the quick firing squad for people like Major Nidal Hassan, no question he shot a dozen or so American soldiers and would kill more if he could. Pope Francis might be, as well, if one went one on one with him and the details.


34 posted on 10/23/2014 1:56:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Feeling fine about the end of the world!)
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To: truth_seeker

And yet, in my parish at St. Agnes in NYC, some of the priests endorse the death penalty. But St. Agnes is known for its intellectual vigor.


35 posted on 10/23/2014 1:56:42 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: Bettyprob
And that's working so well...
36 posted on 10/23/2014 1:57:18 PM PDT by FredZarguna (His first name is 'Unarmed,' and his given middle name is 'Teenager.')
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To: gdani

I think it’s arguable, but it’s silly to pretend Pope Francis originated the issue.


37 posted on 10/23/2014 1:57:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Feeling fine about the end of the world!)
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To: pleasenotcalifornia
Hey Charlie Manson, the Pope is your guy!

Actually, I believe it was Rose Bird who got that dubious distinction. Thankfully, she assumed room temperature some years ago. When I saw Charlie, I was tempted to ask him who he was getting mail from, but I restrained myself.

38 posted on 10/23/2014 1:58:01 PM PDT by Mark17 (MAs & PAs Broke busted, disgusted, liberals can't be trusted, throw the bastards into the sea)
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To: Gamecock

I can see the headline tomorrow: “Pope calls for criminals to be castrated and exiled.”


39 posted on 10/23/2014 1:58:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: thorvaldr

LOL! Yes, Mexico, the country that has drug lords who disembowel people. And is keeping one of our marines prisoner for no good reason.


40 posted on 10/23/2014 1:58:27 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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