Posted on 10/08/2014 5:36:44 PM PDT by Gamecock
Did he not declare them "dogma" and that made them official teaching of the catholic church?? It was either dogma before or it wasn't.
If it was dogma why did he have to proclaim it as such?
Not if you read it and understand it it doesn't.
Real life scenario: someone who is not saved is at the hospital with moments to live. they repent and profess faith in Christ. upon doing so they immediately die.
Are they saved?
Do they go to Heaven?
oh, good...you get to make your own rules....I thought that Baptism freed us from original sin and that the Sacrament of penance freed us from our mortal and venial sins....now you tell me that I'm wrong....oh well, I tried.
The shed blood of Christ is what washes away the sins...all sins. Big ones and little ones. Penance does nothing for us. Baptism is an outward sign of that cleansing. Without repentance and faith in Christ, baptism just means you are a wet sinner.
I think I have it figured out. The OT and NT saints, who wrote the scriptures under the direct influence of the Holy Spirit, still made tons of errors and contradictions. But the collective minds of the Catholic church are capable of writing without error!
Yes.
So?
The year Martin Luther died?
No Christian believes that forgiveness of sins comes from anyone or anywhere other than Christ.
You believe that we are forgiven when we say “I believe in Jesus Christ and believe He will forgive my sins.
The Sacraments are WORDS. Sign language. Every effect they have is because of the death and resurrection of Christ—to which they all refer, just like words.
It helps the conversation if you include the comments you're referring to.
Same with Baptism, that's what Scripture says, but that's not what it means.
You mean well..
If You Love Spurgeon.... You will like the Early Church Fathers.. They all wrote about the Eucharist. The Only Covenant of the New Testament. Every Book Chosen was chosen based on a contribution to The Liturgy of the Eucharist.
It confounds me How Protestant can Over Look Jesus Christ own words in John 6. He lost most of his followers because they wouldn’t accept the Real Presence in the Eucharist.
If You don’t like the Catholic Catechism. Try reading the DIDACHE.. The original one that the Apostles compiled..
Read the Early Church Fathers They ALL talk about the Real Presence of the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
some traveled with Peter another recruited by John the Apostle.
Did you know the 1st 32 POPES were Martyered? Do you think they did it in Vain? The Early Catholics couldn’t proselytize
Like we do because they would be KILLED. Thats why they met at the Cemeteries the Catacombs . They used to rescue the abandoned the Babies from the rivers and Underneath Bridges at Night where they were left to die by being eaten by ANIMals.
Pagans watched how they lived a truely Christian life and witnessed their Love of their neighbors. That was the magnet to evangelization. You can learn this and more of the Growing Pains of the Catholic Church.Read the early Church Fathers they were there!
Between 70-90 AD The Old Testament was the Greek Version.
This was part of the time of Transition to Catholicism from Judaism. The New Testament shows those Pains... Circumcision was the defining Moment of defining a families Faith as Jewish when performed on males. Christ however Introduced Baptism to replace that ritual where Men and women YOUNG and OLD got Baptized to mark their acceptance of Christ.
Read about the transition through the people who lived it and wrote about it!
It is like the rower seated next to George Washington writing about what happened before during and after crossing the Delaware.
Embrace the Church Fathers the Bible will come alive....You will appreciate the writings of JOHN in their TRUE Splendor!
I agree no Christian believes forgiveness comes from anyone other than Christ. I'm just not sure about catholicism.
"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema," (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).
"If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified, because he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and justification are effected; let him be anathema," (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 14).
If any one saith, that the justice [righteousness] received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema." (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 24).
You believe that we are forgiven when we say “I believe in Jesus Christ and believe He will forgive my sins.
Yes. That's what Christ teaches. That's good enough for me.
The Sacraments are WORDS. Sign language. Every effect they have is because of the death and resurrection of Christ—to which they all refer, just like words.
How many of them even knew they were Pope? The whole post-mortem Pope thing is bothersome to many when it comes to Roman Catholicism's own claims of antiquity.
>Just to be clear: You don’t believe that Baptism removes Original Sin or forgives actual sins? Or that it causes the indwelling of the Trinity? Or that it gives grace? It’s just a ritual that makes a person a member of a club?<
ME: Real life scenario: someone who is not saved is at the hospital with moments to live. they repent and profess faith in Christ. upon doing so they immediately die.
Are they saved?
Do they go to Heaven?
I presume your yes is an answer to these two questions. If that is the case it takes away the catholic teaching of the necessity of baptism for salvation does it not?
To err is human.
To "error" takes a blogger.
Please be clear
Are you saying that you know better than the Holy Spirit who inspired all Scripture? Hmmmm
No it can't. Only the blood of Jesus can wash away sin.
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