Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
they have to...the pope said it.
this is clear blasphemy.
Yes but what I’m asking is what kind of proof do you require/are asking for?
What will convince you?
-— The please show another infallible source for what the apostles taught -—
“Go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing... and TEACHING all that I have commanded you to obey” —Jesus
“Listen to the church... If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” -— Jesus
The earliest writings of Christians/Church Fathers speak of the authority of the Church. Google, “church fathers authority of the church peter,” or something similar. Compare the arguments of Catholic sources and Protestant sources.
You can also correlate the verses in my tagline to give you a better understanding of the unique office and authority of Peter.
We can trust the inspired nature of Scripture, or Written Tradition, because of the authority given to the Church by Christ Himself. Similarly, the Church is the guardian of Sacred Tradition.
Do you simply take the word of that Catholic Church that they are the same?
“In my case I left the Catholic Church based on ignorance, and emotion, but returned based strictly on evidence, logic, and facts + thinking. “
My case is similar, but different. I left the Catholic Church because I came understand the Gospel that alone brings eternal life and entrusted myself to Him alone. I can never return because I spent years studying the Scriptures and thinking about what they mean.
Welcome to the Club for Thinking! There are far too few in the Club. Glad you are thinking too.
No proof that what the Catholic Church teaches today is the same the apostles taught.
>>“Listen to the church... If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” -— Jesus≤<
Still no proof their the same.
>>The earliest writings of Christians/Church Fathers speak of the authority of the Church.<<
Apostasy and error was already evident during the lives of the apostles. Revelation also shows that to be true. Early church fathers are not proof of what the apostles taught. It has been shown here time and time again there were differences among them. Not trustworthy in the least.
>>You can also correlate the verses in my tagline to give you a better understanding of the unique office and authority of Peter.<
The authority or primacy of Peter has been shown over and over to be fallacy. Paul himself rebuked Peter to his face. When Christ was asked who was greatest He clearly indicated there was no such thing.
>>We can trust the inspired nature of Scripture, or Written Tradition, because of the authority given to the Church by Christ Himself.<<
Christ did NOT give authority to an institution. The Catholic concept of "church" is none existent in scripture.
>>Similarly, the Church is the guardian of Sacred Tradition.<<
Still no proof that what the apostles taught is what the Catholic Church teaches today. All Catholics have is their faith in their "church". That faith supersedes their faith in Christ.
Depends what is meant by "simply take the word of the Catholic Church". I certainly don't say, "Sacred Tradition is the same as taught by the Apostles because my parish priest says so" and no other reason. If that's helpful.
But I'm asking you, not myself, "What kind of evidence would convince you?" Please note, I do not have a desire at this time to expound on the types of evidences I have accepted.
If you don't want to answer the question that's fine. I was just asking.
That's really being very catholic. They have a very bad habit of doing that.
Well, if the catholic church limited their understanding/useage of tradition to that taught by the apostles we might have something.
Unfortunately, they've gone beyond what the apostles have taught. Way beyond.
My understanding of catholicism was you had to accept the "official teaching" of the church. if you don't now you're practicing what catholics falsely accuse non-catholics of doing...your own interpretation!
aka reading the Bible and letting God speak to you.
Give the infallible evidence that what the Catholic Church under their guise of “tradition” teaches today is what the apostles taught which they referred to as tradition.
Besides his own..... who knows?
Can you say “easy believism”?
Hi metmom! What’s the score now? Anybody here keeping statistics?
Building churches out of body parts and putting them on display for people to fawn over is NOT respecting dead people.
Whatever happened to *Rest in peace*?
Desecrating the dead is abominable.
Jesus didn’t come to begin ANY religion because religion doesn’t save, so there’s no point in religon.
Probably, but not me.
Why is Scripture to be considered BLATHER by you?
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