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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: annalex
Your authority (Protestant, and therefore already suspect)...

I just LOVE the 'authority' that the RCC has historically experienced!



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes


I suspect all this "scholarship" is just another Protestant attempt to rewrite history.

Nah...

...it is what it is.

921 posted on 10/08/2014 3:04:59 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dsc
Your choice of the one word over the other betrays much.

You don't say....

922 posted on 10/08/2014 3:06:20 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dsc
The fang and claw protestants see much that does not exist.

Really?

Ha, ha, HA!


923 posted on 10/08/2014 3:07:04 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
The question of canon is, of course the business of the Church and she, lead by the Holy Ghost, defined the Canon to be what it is.


924 posted on 10/08/2014 3:09:24 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
Protestant obfuscatory passages are generally not, even though the Protestant translations in part contain correct text that approximates the original.

Yer gettin' there.

Can I expect the LIST soon?

925 posted on 10/08/2014 3:10:13 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
In Genesis 3:15 they vary in the pronoun, yet the meaning is correct either way, for Neither Jesus nor His blessed mother crushed the Serpent literally, yet both are connected to the victory: Mary as Christ’s mother and Christ - directly.


I think someone is 'seeing things' that are not there.


13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
    and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
    and you will eat dust
    all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
    between you and the woman ,
    and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
    and you will strike his heel.”

16 To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you.

 

926 posted on 10/08/2014 3:33:27 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
What “many teams?”

Exactly!


927 posted on 10/08/2014 3:34:39 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
The real challenge is to have an authority that has both the scent of integrity and a catholic respect and trust.

Sigh...

The real challenge is to have "a workman approved by GOD".

928 posted on 10/08/2014 3:36:02 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Some have not figgered out yet that “words mean things”.


929 posted on 10/08/2014 3:38:10 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro
It doesn't really matter much except for obvious slanted versions of the Bible.

There may be some folks lurking, or perhaps even POSTING, that are not clued in to as just WHICH versions are being spoken of.

930 posted on 10/08/2014 3:40:23 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro
All this talk and accusations of Christians self "interpreting" the Bible is just a way of distracting from the message....

Shhsh!

No one is supposed to notice.

931 posted on 10/08/2014 3:41:10 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LadyDoc
of course one sardonic carpenter said not all those who say lord lord will enter the kingdom, but only those who does the work of the father.


Micah 6:8

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
    And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
    and to walk humbly with your God.

 

 

John 6:28-29

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

932 posted on 10/08/2014 3:47:54 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator
 

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  


933 posted on 10/08/2014 3:50:33 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro
>>I must say I was gobsmacked a while back when someone posted Genesis 3:15 with the he changed to she!<<

They do a lot of that. The sad part is that so many people put their full faith and trust in that organization for their eternal destiny.

934 posted on 10/08/2014 4:52:09 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Well done and spot on.


935 posted on 10/08/2014 5:04:00 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: LadyDoc; Rides_A_Red_Horse
>>but only those who does the work of the father.<<

Jesus told us what that is.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Lest any man pervert the gospel and add man made rules.

936 posted on 10/08/2014 5:11:10 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: redleghunter

“I see no common mistake unless I failed to quote Jesus in Luke 24 in a more suitable language for you.”

Of course you don’t see the common mistake. That’s why it’s so common.


937 posted on 10/08/2014 6:14:53 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: BlueDragon
If you are alluding there is some "scent" problem or lack of integrity on the part of management here, if that is what you meant...that's just so much continuance of this particular evil meme that has been circulating around this forum as some kind of virus.

    No, my points are more nuanced than that.
  1. "I say, my dog has no nose. No nose ? How does he smell ? Blooming awful."
  2. Scents are both objectively and subjectively perceived.
  3. A meme is not evil simply because one perceives it's smell to be questionable.
  4. Like an offensive lineman is perceived to be almost always holding to protect his teammate, your previously referenced comment seemed to be mind-reading dsc's motive. I, however, attribute no evil motive or judgment to it.
  5. Mormons are an excellent example, as are Moslems, Jews, liberals, and Republicans. If one strongly disagrees with a group's associated beliefs, the desire to obliterate those beliefs can become overpowering. Now look at the Catholic/Protestant/Other debates/threads. In general, it is my studied opinion that Protestants/Other regard Catholics as unsaved, lost, and targets for "street evangelism." OTOH, Catholics tend to view Protestants as separated brethren who err doctrinally (unsure about Other since they refuse to identify and tend to cults), but who are also destined for salvation if they have believed the Gospel and persevere in the faith to the end in a state of grace (perfect act of contrition for all mortal sins they may commit). I think this key difference allows the former to regard the latter as an abomination and the lust to silence them can overwhelm any godly inclinations, while Catholics tend to become angry and unruly when someone insults, or is perceived to insult, their beloved mother (God love them and keep them from sin). Witness the cacophony and barking that ensued when the RM disciplines someone (like dsc), and the comments that follow. It might be hard not to imagine one has gained a victory when a referee has silenced another one regards as an enemy. No persuasion occurred, perhaps mockery, coercion and a perception of bias remain.
  6. There are two aspects of a judge, public and private. The private God will judge, and very strictly. Numerous scripture attests to this. The public, well ... Witness the SC to see the fallout on the nation of a bad public image. I don't happen to think rebellion is an option, nationally or FR wise, as we turn our eyes to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, and the great cloud of witnesses watching us, who Catholics tend to regard as family.
  7. While some would cheer the exodus of Jews and Catholics from FR so that some closely held belief system is not challenged, history shows that they simply turn on each other and consume their own. Preaching Alabama, Movement a Church, really ? As certain also of your own poets have said, "You don't have to be worrying about those people. You never see those people anyway. ... I guess it doesn't matter anyway."
  8. Thank you for a kind reply.
I realize you may have been trying to help, and my reply here is a little hard-edged, and you yourself deserve a modicum of decency, in the least. But I watched the Mormons pull similar whiny stunts trying to take over and force the admin here into disallowing criticisms of their their own history, doctrines, and beliefs. The trouble there was..they were not near subtle and slick enough about it --AND they lacked the raw numbers. They lost, and lost badly... If people here don't respect the forum moderator all I can say is stop complaining and LEAVE. Just GET OUT. People here are asking too much of that person. And it's chiefly because they cannot see THEMSELVES. Present company (yourself) excepted from that last judgement, as far as I can tell...
938 posted on 10/08/2014 6:26:24 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I meant to delete the last paragraph but my phone became unruly and ignored my intent.


939 posted on 10/08/2014 6:31:41 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Religion Moderator; BlueDragon; dsc
The phrase "seem to me" makes the statement an expression of the poster's own mind rather than a reading of the correspondent's mind.

Ah, understood; seems to me I should include it in next weeks practice to cut down on team penalties. :)

940 posted on 10/08/2014 6:49:13 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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