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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: vladimir998; CynicalBear

If you can’t show the apostles taught Matthew’s gospel is inspired and thus all Christian groups are accursed for believing it according to your claim just say so. Don’t keep dancing around.


Do you deny the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John?


401 posted on 10/05/2014 3:08:20 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Elsie

That was a good vintage; it coagulated smoothly so there aren’t any lumps.


402 posted on 10/05/2014 3:09:48 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: verga; boatbums; metmom
>>CB was correct, in this case, about actions,<<

So you agree that Catholics by their actions do indeed show they worship Mary! Thank you for that concession.

403 posted on 10/05/2014 3:10:41 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

You were raised Catholic?


404 posted on 10/05/2014 3:11:27 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: CynicalBear

405 posted on 10/05/2014 3:13:09 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: metmom; boatbums; verga; CynicalBear; narses; caww; Elsie

The whole discussion about cutting yourself for the dead began because someone with precious little knowledge of Scripture claimed that the Bible did not prohibit cutting oneself for the dead.


To be honest, I sort of like the idea of having a Viking funeral. But try finding a Baptist Church willing to hold a service where you’re body is on a burning boat with your enemies severed heads resting at your feet.

Do any of you know of any non-moslem religions that are open to severed body parts?


406 posted on 10/05/2014 3:13:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear
So you agree that Catholics by their actions do indeed show they worship Mary!

I'm still waiting for someone to find something about "worshipping Mary" in the Catechism.

Here's a link.

407 posted on 10/05/2014 3:15:16 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: CynicalBear

“Matthew quotes from the Old Testament more than any of the other three gospel writers. He records Jesus genealogy accurately. He records Jesus words substantiated in the other gospels. Matthew was an apostle and as such was given this promise that only the twel e were given.”

Your answer makes no sense in light of what you were asked:

“Matthew quotes from the Old Testament more than any of the other three gospel writers.”

So that makes it inspired according to the Apostles? Post a verse saying that.

“He records Jesus genealogy accurately.”

Who decided that? In what verse do the Apostles say that Matthew got it right? Who decided that Luke’s genealogy of Jesus reconciles with Matthew’s?

“He records Jesus words substantiated in the other gospels.”

And in what verse do you find the Apostles saying all four gospels are inspired?

“Matthew was an apostle and as such was given this promise that only the twel e were given.”

Show the verse that says that THAT Matthew was one in the same as the gospel writer. There is no such verse of course.

“I’ll take Jesus word that the Holy Spirit brought to his remembrance what He wrote.”

Show a single verse - just one - that says Matthew was inspired, or that gospel writer Matthew was an Apostle, or that the other Apostles approved of what Matthew wrote and considered in inspired. Can you? No, such verses exist.


408 posted on 10/05/2014 3:22:08 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
So...why won’t the Catholics see the light and realize God won’t make them spend thousands of years in torture to “purge” them of their sins?

Because we can red the Bible. You might consider trying that some time.

409 posted on 10/05/2014 3:23:14 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: narses
You were raised Catholic?

Yes, and I attended catechism until the age of 16 or 17 (stopped in 11th grade). I volunteered as a lectern in the Catholic Chapel services (USAF) until the age of about 20.

At 20 I “fell away” and turned “agnostic” for about a decade and associated with (not worshiped with) Baptists, Mormons, Wiccans, Buddhists and Neo-Pagans. Finally, I read the Bible at age 30.

Reading the Bible opened my eyes to the Catholic Church. You really ought to sit and read the Bible all the way through, absent from anything to do with rituals, Mary and traditions.

You might be surprised.

410 posted on 10/05/2014 3:23:32 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: narses
What authority do you presume to make that judgment?
411 posted on 10/05/2014 3:24:13 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
>>Do any of you know of any non-moslem religions that are open to severed body parts?<<

Snicker

412 posted on 10/05/2014 3:24:47 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga

Because we can red the Bible. You might consider trying that some time.


I like the “red” text. In my Bible the “red” text is used to illuminate Jesus’ words.

What color do they use for Mary’s words in your Bible? Since she’s your “coredemtrix” and “Queen of Heaven” you must do something special. What is it?


413 posted on 10/05/2014 3:26:45 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; boatbums
So you agree that Catholics by their actions do indeed show they worship Mary! Thank you for that concession. P>I realize that prots have low IQ's and difficulty with following threads. I was actually pointing out that metmom's and boatbums's inability to give even the semblance of a legitimate answer (actions/ inactions) spoke volumes about prots.

Please keep talking. It is not informative, but it is entertaining.

414 posted on 10/05/2014 3:27:11 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: vladimir998

Now show me where what Matthew teaches is not what the others teach.


415 posted on 10/05/2014 3:27:20 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Snicker


Yeah, they could put a few of those in my coat pocket along with a bottle of whiskey.


416 posted on 10/05/2014 3:27:42 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Were you ever taught that Mary was God or even god? Were you ever taught that she was divine? Were you ever taught that she was due worship or taught to worship her?

Simple yes or no answers, but I am betting that you will either dodge the question or try and hedge again.


417 posted on 10/05/2014 3:29:35 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: verga; CynicalBear; metmom; boatbums; Religion Moderator
"I realize that prots have low IQ’s and difficulty with following threads."

Is there a moratorium on “making it personal?”

418 posted on 10/05/2014 3:29:37 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; CynicalBear
Here's a link.

Wasn't CB offered this option before? I guess his inactions speak louder than words.

419 posted on 10/05/2014 3:30:09 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

The exact same as anyone else. I smell wrong all over that post. And I am right!


420 posted on 10/05/2014 3:30:57 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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