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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Some people don't even realize that they're name-calling.

I know.

But I've yet to see where pointing that out to Catholics has made them realize they are the non-publican in the room.

381 posted on 10/05/2014 1:55:18 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998

What is taught in Matthew that the apostles didn’t teach?


382 posted on 10/05/2014 1:57:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


383 posted on 10/05/2014 2:00:00 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: metmom
>>For Catholics tradition trumps Scripture.<<

But they can't even prove today's "traditions" are the same traditions the apostles were talking about.

384 posted on 10/05/2014 2:07:33 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: narses

That’s what Matthew teaches that the apostles didn’t teach??? Are you sure? You may want to ask the guy who wears the same type of hat the priests to the fish god dagon wore.


385 posted on 10/05/2014 2:11:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

386 posted on 10/05/2014 2:20:18 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Rides_A_Red_Horse

Doesn’t the Roman Catholic church teach those who die in mortal sin cannot benefit from purgatory but go straight to hell?


387 posted on 10/05/2014 2:26:08 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: narses

I know but we keep putting God’s word in front of Catholics anyway because their are those who read these threads that God might be trying to reach.


388 posted on 10/05/2014 2:28:25 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NKP_Vet; metmom; caww; CynicalBear; Elsie

I said - “I wish you would hold at least half the reverence for Jesus that you have for the Catholic Church.”

You replied - “Without the Catholic Church, FOUNDED by Christ, you would have idea who Christ is. You will still be praying to the sun gods.”


In your response you placed the Catholic Church first. You ought to put Jesus first.

Where you keep what you treasure is where your heart lies. Where is your heart, NKP_Vet?


389 posted on 10/05/2014 2:40:26 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Elsie

“Nothing in Scripture condemns the Protestants or the Protestant faith.”

False. Sola fide is the main doctrine of Protestantism. This is rejected in James 2:24.

“For a Catholic to say so is simply to make something up and claim it’s their football.”

No, it’s in James 2:24.


390 posted on 10/05/2014 2:47:37 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: boatbums; CynicalBear

Thank you for settling the matter of prot integrity. CB was correct, in this case, about actions, or rather inactions speaking louder than words.


391 posted on 10/05/2014 2:47:43 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: CynicalBear

“What is taught in Matthew that the apostles didn’t teach?”

Where did the Apostles teach that the Gospel of Matthew is inspired?


392 posted on 10/05/2014 2:48:28 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: narses; boatbums; metmom; caww; CynicalBear

Were you ever taught that Mary was God or even god? Were you ever taught that she was divine? Were you ever taught that she was due worship or taught to worship her?


Let’s see...

“Co-redemtrix,” “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” “Mother of us all...”

I’ve seen long precessions of male and female children march to her statue and stand while the priest crowns the head of the statue with flowers.

I’ve heard prayers pleading for “her blessings.”

Yeah, that pretty much covers giving Mary a deity status near or equal to Jesus and receiving worship.

Which silly picture do I get this time? Can I please have my bear on a unicycle? I’ll settle for a bear on a scooter.


393 posted on 10/05/2014 2:52:18 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: boatbums
Actually you are the only one presuming: Exactly! We already know the question was asked dishonestly because if we said, yes, we would be called liars or “poorly catechized”. If we answered no, we would be told, “See, we don’t, case closed!”. Some Catholics show a surprising lack of integrity and it comes out in how they speak to others.

You presumed to know that my response would be to your answer.

The fact that neither of you chose to give a legitimate answer to simple yes or no questions speaks volumes.

394 posted on 10/05/2014 2:55:16 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: boatbums
I don't feel badly at all throwing your errors back at you. Do you understand that when Jesus said, "It is finished.", he was speaking of making complete propitiation for the sins of the world?

Before saying ridiculous things like this you need to poll the rest of the prot posse. Because that is word for word what they have said previously.

395 posted on 10/05/2014 2:57:38 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: boatbums
Do you understand that when Jesus said, “It is finished.”, he was speaking of making complete propitiation for the sins of the world? It is because he kept the law perfectly that he can be the sinless sacrifice for our sins and HIS righteousness is imputed to us, rather than having to stand on our own (which would condemn us for eternity).

This means you aren't required to report to a celestial torture chamber to have red hot pokers jammed up your wazoo for several thousand years. Your sin is forgiven and you may enter directly into HIS presence.

396 posted on 10/05/2014 2:57:49 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: boatbums
We have ALL the New Testament books in Hebrew today as translations but there is no concrete evidence that they were originally written in that language. Jews in Palestine spoke Koine Greek because it was the common tongue (lingua franca) at that time. For two hundred years before Christ was born, the Old Testament had already been translated in Greek especially for that reason.

Congratulations on getting something right and engaging in fraternal correction.

397 posted on 10/05/2014 3:00:32 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: ronnietherocket3; metmom; CynicalBear; caww; Elsie

Purgatory is penalty for sins committed on Earth but not sins for which penance has been done. The point of Purgatory is not forgiveness, but purification.


Why do you doubt God? With His sacrifice, even the Gentiles were purified!

Acts 10:9-15

About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”


398 posted on 10/05/2014 3:03:49 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: vladimir998
Matthew quotes from the Old Testament more than any of the other three gospel writers. He records Jesus genealogy accurately. He records Jesus words substantiated in the other gospels. Matthew was an apostle and as such was given this promise that only the twel e were given.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

I'll take Jesus word that the Holy Spirit brought to his remembrance what He wrote.

399 posted on 10/05/2014 3:06:03 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: boatbums; verga; metmom; CynicalBear; caww

Forgiveness of our sins and consequences for our actions are two different things. It is because of God’s mercy that we are not consumed.


Exactly!

So...why won’t the Catholics see the light and realize God won’t make them spend thousands of years in torture to “purge” them of their sins?


400 posted on 10/05/2014 3:07:33 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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