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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: Old Yeller

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21 posted on 10/03/2014 4:02:11 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NYer
I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books

She should have read this article.

22 posted on 10/03/2014 4:04:02 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: ifinnegan

Perhaps the Holy Spirit is leading you to these threads so that you can learn about the pure and wonderful truths of Catholicism.


23 posted on 10/03/2014 4:17:34 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: NYer
Dr. Ivan Panin (1855-1942) discovered the heptadic structure that exists in the greek and hebrew scriptures, not only in each book, but also in the books as grouped, and as a whole. This structure cannot be repeated even with the use of a computer. Some call the structure the signature of God. The apocryphal books differ from the rest of scripture in that they do not show any signs of the heptadic structure whatsoever.
24 posted on 10/03/2014 4:31:46 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: NYer

All the books you are including in your bible are Old Testament. You can argue all the Old Testament Books you want to, but WE are not under the LAW! I don’t really care who has it right Jews, Catholics, Protestant, East, West, or up and down if you live by the Law YOU will go to Hell end of discussion. We live by the Grace of our God through Jesus Christ and that teaching is in the New Testament.

Romans 8:3 New International Version (NIV)
3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh


25 posted on 10/03/2014 4:40:45 PM PDT by mrobisr
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To: NYer

The Jews don’t accept the deuterocanonical books, the early Christian fathers declared them inspiration but not on the same level as scripture, and the Protestants rejected them as extra writings. The only ones who ever accepted them was the Council of Trent 1500 years later.

Facts are a nasty thing.


26 posted on 10/03/2014 4:53:22 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: EBH

A huge part of why I came home to the Catholic Faith from being a Bible Christian is that I investigated all these things and more and found them to be true.

Hear from both sides, not one side says about the other!

Books of the OT, thrown out by the Jews in 90A.D. (the Temple was destryoed in 70AD)..., well the Jewish religion had been cut from the vine before then(Romans 11) and Christianity grafted in. So Protestantism following that lead is dangerous, especially when either the apostles or Jesus(the NT) mentions and quotes these books in our NT.


27 posted on 10/03/2014 5:05:19 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: All

This thread puts me in mind of the recent Protestant bashing thread that compared Protestants to violent radical Muslims. And the Protestant bashing thread of a few days ago deceptively named, “Scientific Proof of the Virgin Birth” (pushing their “immaculately conceived Mary” idolatry). Now here we are yet again, with another deceptively named thread, “Protecting God’s Word from ‘Bible Christians.’”

As the others, deceptively named for the express purpose of bashing Protestants. And as the others - absolute duds.

Just when you think you’ve heard it all. Amazing the extent Romanists go to trying to defend their paganized, totalitarian, and extraBiblical, form of Christianity, from those monstrous “Bible Christians.” Incredible, I tell you.


28 posted on 10/03/2014 5:20:48 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: NYer

BTTT!


29 posted on 10/03/2014 5:37:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: CynicalBear

No, it’s the clear point that just because a pagan did something, even in relation to religious belief, doesn’t make it wrong.

Were pagans wrong in believing in an afterlife?


30 posted on 10/03/2014 5:38:07 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

That is not true.


31 posted on 10/03/2014 5:38:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SampleMan
The Catholic Church specifically states that they have adopted pagans practices and use them in their worship of God. That is in direct contradiction of what God said.

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:

32 posted on 10/03/2014 5:47:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Dr. Thorne; ifinnegan
These are consistent with pagan practice. Yep, along with praying to idols and goddesses. Utter voodoo.

I can't remember which Freeper Catholic posted these questions and I apologize to him or her for not giving direct credit.

Do protestants exchange wedding rings? That is a pagan practice.

Do they have Bridesmaids, that is also pagan.

How about Groomsmen, also pagan.

Do you have flowers at the wedding, that is also pagan.

How about flowers at funerals, That is also pagan.

Care to discuss the pagan symbols on money?

We could also bring up the days of the weeks and months of the year.

Please keep talking.

33 posted on 10/03/2014 6:23:52 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
She should have read this article. P>Why would she read that? She wanted the truth not some made up out of whole cloth hooey.
34 posted on 10/03/2014 6:27:17 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: NYer
The "Apocrypha": Why It's Part of the Bible
The Canon of Scripture [Ecumenical]
Apostolic Authority and the Selection of the Gospels (Ecumenical)
The Bible - 73 or 66 Books? (Ecumenical Thread)
The Pilgrims' Regress - The Geneva Bible And The "Apocrypha"
St. Jerome and the Vulgate (completing the FIRST Bible in the year 404) [Catholic Caucus]
Deuterocanonical References in the New Testament
Catholic and Protestant Bibles
5 Myths about 7 Books What Are the "Apocrypha?"
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference?
How Tradition Gave Us the Bible

35 posted on 10/03/2014 6:29:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: verga

See post 32


36 posted on 10/03/2014 6:31:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

See post 33


37 posted on 10/03/2014 6:37:45 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: CynicalBear

That’s a stretch of a parced verse if I ever heard one. Pagans had temples before Solomon built one, and pagans had animal sacrifice, so were the Jews wrong?

I note you ever answered my question to you concerning treating all souls as living souls.


38 posted on 10/03/2014 6:40:32 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
>>I note you ever answered my question to you concerning treating all souls as living souls.<<

We are not to contact the departed or attempt to communicate with them. If you think otherwise show where the apostles taught it.

39 posted on 10/03/2014 6:47:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Alex Murphy

If you are going to string several letters together that aren’t recognized by the majority of Free Republic members posting in the Religion Forum, you should say what they mean.
Similar to translating a foreign language.

LOL, bfl, etc. are ok but not something like you did:

AFEOCNPTDO


40 posted on 10/03/2014 7:12:17 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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