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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Who said I was copying?


241 posted on 10/04/2014 7:56:59 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: narses

Ya got a C&P prayer that lionizes JESUS this same way?


242 posted on 10/04/2014 7:57:13 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

No, the Internet is a separate domain not under the control of God.


243 posted on 10/04/2014 7:59:54 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ifinnegan

Interestingly, I don’t believe in the vice versa.


244 posted on 10/04/2014 8:01:07 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Some Pagans traditionally cut themselves as an act of mourning. Will you copy this as well?

Not forbidden, so nothing wrong with it, right?

245 posted on 10/04/2014 8:10:10 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: narses
 
 
we cast ourselves into your arms,


Virgins:
 
 
The catacombs date back to the 1599 when the local priests mummified a holy monk for all to see. They wanted to pray to him after death.
http://motomom.tripod.com/index-3.html
 
 

246 posted on 10/04/2014 8:10:34 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
Sorry, I read the scripture for how it is written.

You SURE you're a Catholic?

The church based in Rome??

247 posted on 10/04/2014 8:12:14 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
“Literate” people understand what the word “jettisoned” means. Are you literate or do I need to post the Webster's dictionary definition? Here are a few synonyms they give: discarding, disposition, dumping, disposal, junking, removal, riddance, scrapping, throwing away. It's a nautical term, too, it means a voluntary sacrifice of cargo to lighten a ship's load in time of distress. So, NO, Luther did not jettison the Apocryphals because they were “inconvenient”. The teacher LIED to the student and you aren't faring much better.
248 posted on 10/04/2014 8:17:35 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: annalex

Why should I even bother? It was clear enough the first time. Try to read it again and put some effort into what I was saying. Then show me what exact parts you do not understand.

Requesting a rewrite is just another forum tactic, game-playing sort of thing...

The 'playing dumb' act get's real old, real fast.

249 posted on 10/04/2014 8:18:13 PM PDT by BlueDragon (...they murdered some of them bums...for thinking wrong thoughts)
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To: verga

Yuk it up! At least you cannot pretend nobody has ever answered your questions.


251 posted on 10/04/2014 8:29:49 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: verga

Funny stuff, you need to get your own show.


252 posted on 10/04/2014 8:32:22 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: narses; CynicalBear
>>Do Catholics give her worship that is due to God alone?<<

Illiterates, idiots and liars claim that they can know what motivates every Roman Catholic in their "veneration" of Mary. They are wrong.

253 posted on 10/04/2014 8:37:29 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: annalex; HarleyD; Mr Rogers
Read the Catholic history from a Catholic source for yourself and get back to me with your findings:

Canon of the Old Testament

I have previously read your own source and it contradicts your assertion that the Canon was still in the process of formation "till the 5th Century" and it proves my point that the Canon was not officially established for the Roman Church until the Council of Trent :

"The Tridentine decrees from which the above list is extracted was the first infallible and effectually promulgated pronouncement on the Canon, addressed to the Church Universal"
It also indirectly proves that Hippo and Carthage contradict Trent on the Septuagint version of 1 Edras:
"...the first and second of Esdras (which latter is called Nehemias)"
to which you have not yet given any response.

Cordially,

254 posted on 10/04/2014 8:37:45 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: daniel1212
Meaning, you want to valid an unScriptural practice based upon the premise that some Jews did it during the very late intertestamental period, which followed a surprisingly innovative period???

There are a few criticisms that show up on debates concerning purgatory:

The problem with the first is that it shows up in Jewish tradition. I doubt the (orthodox) Jews are willy nilly adopting pagan practices as the Doctrine of the Trinity leads them to speculate that Christianity is Idol Worship. The problem with the second is that your source admits that Purgatory had developed by over half a century before Christ and a century prior to His Crucifixion. So the concept of Purgatory dates back to before the Apostles.

Now we are stuck with the final stumbling block Scripture. And we are back to the Sola Scripture vs Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium debate.

Concerning the passages of Talmud you cited, did you look up any commentaries written by Jews on them? The first paragraph can be summarized that if tormented by a demon, resist it until it gives up. The second one is interesting. A date palm gives the lulav fruit which is used for Passover. According to Jewish tradition, a lulav has taste but no smell to represent those who have studied Torah but do not have good deeds. Someone who is drinking 16 cups of probably does not have good deeds.
255 posted on 10/04/2014 8:41:31 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: metmom

Exactly! We already know the question was asked dishonestly because if we said, yes, we would be called liars or “poorly catechized”. If we answered no, we would be told, “See, we don’t, case closed!”. Some Catholics show a surprising lack of integrity and it comes out in how they speak to others.


256 posted on 10/04/2014 8:41:50 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: annalex
I'm about fed up with this sort of nonsense;

the parts unconverted Jews "decided to like"?

What evidence is there for such sort of contemplation?

What are you basing THAT upon?

As for Luther -- he moved the books to an appendix -- a bold move but not entirely without basis of reason -- as undoubtedly you have been shown on these pages numerous times.

Josephus refutes you.

Melito (thru Eusebius) refutes you all but entirely (in this issue of just what the Jews accepted as Holy Writ --and what they did not).

Philo can be seen to refute you -- though that is interpretative as much as anything, depending on there being no evidence of him citing from the books here under dispute, as if those were holy writ.

Origen refutes you.

JEROME refutes you.

Tertullian -- for the most part --also refutes you.

You can look to later Christian Councils for whatever blows your skirts up -- but there cannot be anything of the sort established that the Jews either;

Clear enough?

Now face the music, deal with it -- or shut up.

257 posted on 10/04/2014 8:42:40 PM PDT by BlueDragon (...they murdered some of them bums...for thinking wrong thoughts)
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To: Springfield Reformer
They might possibly say, "We received grace because we believed;" as if they would attribute the faith to themselves, and the grace to God. Therefore, the apostle having said, "You are saved through faith," added, And that not of yourselves, but it is the gift of God. And again, lest they should say they deserved so great a gift by their works, he immediately added, "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9 Not that he denied good works, or emptied them of their value, when he says that God renders to every man according to his works; Romans 2:6 but because works proceed from faith,and not faith from works. Therefore it is from Him that we have works of righteousness, from whom comes also faith itself, concerning which it is written, "The just shall live by faith." Habakkuk 2:4 Augustine, On Grace and Free Will

Sputter, cough, cough....why THAT sounds positively Protestant to me! ;o)

258 posted on 10/04/2014 8:48:01 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: SampleMan
Not forbidden, so nothing wrong with it, right?

There are clear old testament warnings against cutting or marking yourself. There are also new testament passages about rejecting “detestable practices.”

But hey, rock on with your bad self.

259 posted on 10/04/2014 8:49:26 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: D Rider
Long brutal read, but nails it with the brutal truth. :)

I could just link to it, but some RCs (most i think) have said or evidenced that they will not follow links to sources that challenge RC claims. Then they parrot refuted Catholic Answers (or similar) polemics.

260 posted on 10/04/2014 9:09:32 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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