Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”

Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

[SampleMan]

Who said I was copying?

[Elsie]

Ya got a C&P prayer that lionizes JESUS this same way?

[SampleMan]

No, the Internet is a separate domain not under the control of God.

[SampleMan]

Interestingly, I don’t believe in the vice versa.

[SampleMan]

Some Pagans traditionally cut themselves as an act of mourning. Will you copy this as well?

Not forbidden, so nothing wrong with it, right?

[Elsie]

 

 

we cast ourselves into your arms,

Virgins:

 

 

The catacombs date back to the 1599 when the local priests mummified a holy monk for all to see. They wanted to pray to him after death.

http://motomom.tripod.com/index-3.html

 

 

[Elsie]

Sorry, I read the scripture for how it is written.

You SURE you're a Catholic?

The church based in Rome??

[boatbums]

“Literate” people understand what the word “jettisoned” means. Are you literate or do I need to post the Webster's dictionary definition? Here are a few synonyms they give: discarding, disposition, dumping, disposal, junking, removal, riddance, scrapping, throwing away. It's a nautical term, too, it means a voluntary sacrifice of cargo to lighten a ship's load in time of distress. So, NO, Luther did not jettison the Apocryphals because they were “inconvenient”. The teacher LIED to the student and you aren't faring much better.

[BlueDragon]

"..care to rephrase?"

Why should I even bother? It was clear enough the first time. Try to read it again and put some effort into what I was saying. Then show me what exact parts you do not understand.

Requesting a rewrite is just another forum tactic, game-playing sort of thing...

The 'playing dumb' act get's real old, real fast.

[boatbums]

Yuk it up! At least you cannot pretend nobody has ever answered your questions.

[boatbums]

Funny stuff, you need to get your own show.

[boatbums]

>>Do Catholics give her worship that is due to God alone?<<

Illiterates, idiots and liars claim that they can know what motivates every Roman Catholic in their "veneration" of Mary. They are wrong.

[Diamond]

Read the Catholic history from a Catholic source for yourself and get back to me with your findings:

Canon of the Old Testament

I have previously read your own source and it contradicts your assertion that the Canon was still in the process of formation "till the 5th Century" and it proves my point that the Canon was not officially established for the Roman Church until the Council of Trent :

"The Tridentine decrees from which the above list is extracted was the first infallible and effectually promulgated pronouncement on the Canon, addressed to the Church Universal"

It also indirectly proves that Hippo and Carthage contradict Trent on the Septuagint version of 1 Edras:

"...the first and second of Esdras (which latter is called Nehemias)"

to which you have not yet given any response.

Cordially,

[ronnietherocket3]

Meaning, you want to valid an unScriptural practice based upon the premise that some Jews did it during the very late intertestamental period, which followed a surprisingly innovative period???

There are a few criticisms that show up on debates concerning purgatory:

• It is pagan.
• How do Catholics know it dates to the Apostles?
• It is not found in Scripture

The problem with the first is that it shows up in Jewish tradition. I doubt the (orthodox) Jews are willy nilly adopting pagan practices as the Doctrine of the Trinity leads them to speculate that Christianity is Idol Worship. The problem with the second is that your source admits that Purgatory had developed by over half a century before Christ and a century prior to His Crucifixion. So the concept of Purgatory dates back to before the Apostles.

Now we are stuck with the final stumbling block Scripture. And we are back to the Sola Scripture vs Scripture, Tradition and Magisterium debate.

Concerning the passages of Talmud you cited, did you look up any commentaries written by Jews on them? The first paragraph can be summarized that if tormented by a demon, resist it until it gives up. The second one is interesting. A date palm gives the lulav fruit which is used for Passover. According to Jewish tradition, a lulav has taste but no smell to represent those who have studied Torah but do not have good deeds. Someone who is drinking 16 cups of probably does not have good deeds.

[boatbums]

Exactly! We already know the question was asked dishonestly because if we said, yes, we would be called liars or “poorly catechized”. If we answered no, we would be told, “See, we don’t, case closed!”. Some Catholics show a surprising lack of integrity and it comes out in how they speak to others.

[BlueDragon]

I'm about fed up with this sort of nonsense;

St. Paul said “all scripture” that Timothy knew “from infancy”, so I understand it to mean “all scripture”, not “the parts of the scripture unconverted Jews half a century later decided to like” or “Luther fifteen centuiries later decided to like”.

the parts unconverted Jews "decided to like"?

What evidence is there for such sort of contemplation?

What are you basing THAT upon?

As for Luther -- he moved the books to an appendix -- a bold move but not entirely without basis of reason -- as undoubtedly you have been shown on these pages numerous times.

Josephus refutes you.

Melito (thru Eusebius) refutes you all but entirely (in this issue of just what the Jews accepted as Holy Writ --and what they did not).

Philo can be seen to refute you -- though that is interpretative as much as anything, depending on there being no evidence of him citing from the books here under dispute, as if those were holy writ.

Origen refutes you.

JEROME refutes you.

Tertullian -- for the most part --also refutes you.

You can look to later Christian Councils for whatever blows your skirts up -- but there cannot be anything of the sort established that the Jews either;

lacked concept of what their own Holy Writ consisted of

OR changed what that consisted of some time soon after the overthrow of the Temple.

Clear enough?

Now face the music, deal with it -- or shut up.

[boatbums]

They might possibly say, "We received grace because we believed;" as if they would attribute the faith to themselves, and the grace to God. Therefore, the apostle having said, "You are saved through faith," added, And that not of yourselves, but it is the gift of God. And again, lest they should say they deserved so great a gift by their works, he immediately added, "Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:9 Not that he denied good works, or emptied them of their value, when he says that God renders to every man according to his works; Romans 2:6 but because works proceed from faith,and not faith from works. Therefore it is from Him that we have works of righteousness, from whom comes also faith itself, concerning which it is written, "The just shall live by faith." Habakkuk 2:4 Augustine, On Grace and Free Will

Sputter, cough, cough....why THAT sounds positively Protestant to me! ;o)

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

Not forbidden, so nothing wrong with it, right?

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There are clear old testament warnings against cutting or marking yourself. There are also new testament passages about rejecting “detestable practices.”

But hey, rock on with your bad self.

[daniel1212]

Long brutal read, but nails it with the brutal truth. :)

I could just link to it, but some RCs (most i think) have said or evidenced that they will not follow links to sources that challenge RC claims. Then they parrot refuted Catholic Answers (or similar) polemics.