Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24
Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.
Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.
"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.
The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.
"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.
Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.
The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity. Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity.
Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."
Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".
However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.
But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.
"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.
However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.
“Aah, but here you may be failing to apply one of those distinctions you earlier insisted upon. There could be some difference between “feelthy” papists, and papists perhaps not so filthy? no?”
What? Again, you’re not making any sense.
“Try to find a sense of humor about it.”
If that is an attempt at humor you must think Schindler’s List is a tremendous knee slapper of a comedy.
“This part (feelthy papists) did come about in course of discussion regarding satire (which I allegedly failed to understand, being too stupid to get it or something — according to you).”
I still have no idea what you’re talking about. Are you actually trying to make a point?
“How about you go back through some of your recent remarks, copy/pasting them into reply & retract those kind of needless insults?”
I made no needless insults. If I pasted an insult, it was not needless.
“And then, how about you stop making the discussions all about individual persons here from there on out?”
Oh, yeah, because we know Protestant anti-Catholics never make it about the Catholic poster, right?
“Every time you sneer and [figuratively] spit in the faces of others here, making a mockery of the forum guidelines while making threads all about people here and your own low opinions of them, it is as if you figuratively spit in the faces of the religion forum moderator and JimRob too.”
No. That’s a fanciful bunch of nonsense.
“This has been going for years now, but tolerance and human grace can have it’s limits.”
It’s not up to you either way. And it isn’t about tolerance or human grace. If that were the truth, then Protestant anti-Catholics would get called on the carpet at least as much as Catholics if not more so but that is not the case (as I demonstrated over the last week).
“So knock off all the game playing — or just leave.”
I never play games and I’m not leaving. And there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it. Get used to it. Now, I suggest you stop making this thread about me because that’s apparently a violation of the forum rules - not that anything will be done about it of course.
Catholics NEVER breathe thru their mouths.
Protestants are NICER than Catholics.
(At least on FR...)
That last one is a most poisonous meme...
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
“Catholics NEVER breathe thru their mouths.”
Sure they do. They’re just not mouthbreathers.
“Protestants are NICER than Catholics. (At least on FR...)”
Charity is more about truth than it is niceness. When Protestant anti-Catholics here routinely lie it shows they’re not charitable or nice.
When Catholics here routinely complain about Protestant lies, and then fail to actually SHOW the lies; it shows theyre quite desperate to move onto another subject.
Then it behooves you to produce an antidote so that the unsuspecting do not drink; if not the poison; at least the koolaid.
Here's a sample of how it COULD work...
Protestant LIES!!! | Catholic TRUTH!!!! |
You guys (fill in the blank) | No we DON'T! (post some Scripture) |
Protestant | Catholic |
The bible plainly teaches... | No it DON'T! And yer a HATER and a MouthBreather for saying so!!! |
CELLPADDING=20 gives some wonderful white space...
Luther: The Bible ALONE is the sole rule of faith.
Protestantism: The Bible ALONE is the sole rule of faith.
The Bible: No mention of this teaching.
Catholics: No mention of this teaching in the Bible, Sacred Tradition, or Church Teaching.
This should surprise no one!
Jesus answered, The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.
SOMEbody disagrees with you.
Yet; for some reason; YOU FAIL TO DO IT.
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