Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24
Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.
Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.
"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.
The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.
"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.
Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.
The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity. Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity.
Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."
Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".
However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.
But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.
"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.
However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.
Now, a new place for us to meet.
So an anti-Catholic site claims that Pope Francis elevated Mary to Godhead level, eh?
Nothing new to see here. Move along….
This is weirdly written. How can Mary be a second Trinity when there is only one of her?
Holy Mackerel!
But absolutely nothing in the article supports any of these wild claims. All the writer proves is that he is a jerk who needs to find a new line of work. Plucking chickens or something.
When you make Mary the Mother of God you actually give her precedence above God. I know very little about you and notching about your mother. However, I would bet anything that she came before you. Mother’s always precede their offspring. Mary was mother of the man Jesus. She is not mother of God. Utter blasphemy.
That would probably be news to Paul.
I personally did not find anything in those remarks that elevates her to the level of God.
“From a street preacher?”
Is that supposed to be some black mark?
I know one “street preacher” I respect more highly than anyone else... he walked the streets of Galilee and Judea, preaching a few thousand years ago.
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
“There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing.” -Ven. Fulton J. Sheen, Archbishop
There are some people who would examine MSM pronouncements—even those which confirm their own beliefs—with a critical eye (as well they should)... but those same people will shut off their grey matter completely, and bellow their agreement (or retweet—whichever is most convenient) with some of the most laughably disprovable claims about the Catholic Church. Maybe we should coin another phrase: “Catholicism Derangement Syndrome”.
I'm not Catholic, but I agree.
He(should be capitalized) chose her.
“I think it’s fairly obvious that some people are so consumed with hatred for the Roman Catholic Church that they’ll believe anything, ....so long as it confirms their anti-Catholic beliefs. It is particularly shameful that such folks pretend to be Christians.”
Don’t forget those same people also lie - tell straight out falsehoods - right here on FR.
A little history lesson. There was NO pope prior to Nicea... or even after Nicea... Not until Gregory the great @ 650AD did any Bishop of Rome claim any universal authority. Check again, neither the Bishop of Rome nor many other western Bishops even attended Nicea.... Facts are still stubborn things.
There are countries in Central and South America where Mary is the one on the Crucifix. Go figure.
“When you make Mary the Mother of God”
God the Father did that through the Holy Spirit, not us.
“you actually give her precedence above God.”
No, you don’t in regard to divinity. Only in one sense did Mary had precedence: She was already human and God wasn’t. Jesus took His flesh from her.
“I know very little about you and notching about your mother. However, I would bet anything that she came before you.”
Was Mary on earth before the Second Person of the Trinity was born as a man in Bethlehem? Clearly the answer is yes. Does that mean Mary is divine? No. Does it mean she has precedence over God in divinity? No.
“Mother’s always precede their offspring. Mary was mother of the man Jesus. She is not mother of God. Utter blasphemy.”
To say Jesus is not God - which is what you just did even if you deny it - it blasphemy. Mary existed before the Second Person of the Trinity took flesh. That is undeniable. Mary did not exist before the Second Person of the Trinity. The Second Person of the Trinity and Jesus are one in the same Person. To deny that Mary gave birth to one who is God is to deny that Jesus is God. And that is blasphemy.
To everyone:
Produce the actual quote from Pope Francis or shut up.
This is the kind of confused baloney you get from Muslims claiming to refute Trinitarian Doctrine without having the least understanding of hypostasis or anything else to do with Christianity. Shocking to read it coming from a supposed Christian.
>> the second Holy Trinity
What the heck is the “second Holy Trinity”?
I only know of one Holy Trinity.
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