Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future

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Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future

Posted on August 29, 2014 by fc

Bishop Schneider had an interview published in the June 6th 2014 CatholicHerald.co.uk, “We Are In The Fourth Great Crisis Of The Church“.  If you have the time please read the whole great article.  Here I have attempted to only highlight the main points in the article.

In his interview he said we are in the fourth great crisis of the Church.  This is spearheaded by the liberals in the Church who are collaborating with, what he calls, the “new paganism” and this is actually driving the Catholic Church towards a split.  In this collaboration, we see something like what happened with the fourth-century Arian heresy in which “a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated”.

The root and cause of this crisis he says is “the “banal” and casual treatment of the Blessed Sacrament by clergy, including some of those in positions of authority, and the laity, who are going along with secular society.  

“The Eucharist is at the heart of the Church,” he said. “When the heart is weak, the whole body is weak.”  He strongly believes that receiving Holy Communion in hand contributes gradually to the loss of the belief in the Real Presence and in transubstantiation.  

“It seems that the majority of the clergy and the bishops are content with this modern use of Communion in hand… For me this is incredible. How is this possible, when Jesus is present in the little Hosts?  There is the grievous fact of the loss of the Eucharistic fragments. And the fragments of the consecrated Host are crushed by feet. This is horrible! Our God, in our churches, is trampled by feet!  It is time that the bishops (should) raise their voices for the Eucharistic Jesus who has no voice to defend himself.  Here is an attack on the Most Holy, an attack on the Eucharistic faith.”

He acknowledges that we have been in this crisis for the last 50 years, (Since Vatican II), with great confusion over doctrine and liturgy.  An example of this “confusion” is clear in the preparation of the Extraordinary Synod coming up this October in Rome:

“I think this issue of the reception of Holy Communion by the remarried will blow up and show the real crisis in the Church. The real crisis of the Church is anthropocentrism and the forgetting of Christo-centrism….  This is the deepest evil: 1) man, or the clergy, putting themselves in the centre when they are celebrating liturgy, (in some churches God, in the tabernacle, is put in a corner, while the priest takes centre stage), and 2) when clergy change the revealed truth of God, for instance, concerning the Sixth Commandment and human sexuality.”  (In this he is referring to homosexuals and divorced people living together or in a second marriage.)

He is very critical of trying to change Catholic pastoral practices, (like giving communion to people living in sin and then calling it mercy).  “This is a kind of sophism.  It is comparable to a doctor who gives a diabetic patient sugar, although he knows it will kill him.”

He says: “Unfortunately there were … members of the clergy and even bishops who put grains of incense in front of the statue of the emperor or of a pagan idol or who delivered the books of the Holy Scripture to be burned. Such collaborationist Christians and clerics were called in those times thurificati or traitors.  We also have those who collaborate, or are traitors of the Faith today”. St Lawrence’s Martyrdom

As a consequence of liberal clergy and laity, he see a split coming eventually.  “I can presume that such a separation will affect each level of Catholics: lay people and even not excluding the high clergy.”

He hopes that this split will eventually lead to a renewal of the Church in a traditional way.   The present “anthropocentric” [man-centred] clerical system will collapse. “This liberal clerical edifice will crash down because they have no roots and no fruits.”   There are hardly any vocations in any of the ordinary dioceses or religious orders.

Bishop Schneider warns that “traditional Catholics may, for a time, be persecuted or discriminated against, even at the behest of those who have “power in the exterior structures of the Church”.  All of us traditional Catholics are already badly persecuted by the people in power in the Church.  Each one of us can tell our own story.

In the end, he says “The Supreme Magisterium” will restate clear doctrinal statement, and no longer will go along with neo-pagan world and ideas.  The lack of clarity in the documents of Vatican II has led to this confusion.

When asked if, as a bishop, it is difficult to speak out against what is happening in the Church, he said; “It is quite insignificant to be popular or unpopular. For every member of the clergy, their first interest should be to be popular in the eyes of God and not in the eyes of today or of the powerful. Jesus said a warning: ‘Woe to you when people speak well of you.’”  

He went on: “Popularity is false… Great saints of the Church, such as Thomas More and John Fisher, rejected popularity… those today who are worried about the popularity of the mass media and public opinion… will be remembered as cowards and not as heroes of the Faith.”

Many “Catholics” who go along with the pagan world, are considered “good” Catholics, while “those who are faithful to the Catholic faith or those who are promoting the glory of Christ in the liturgy, are labelled extremists”.

He also brought up the issue of the poor, which for the liberals seems to trump over morals or sacred liturgy.    We see this when so many Catholics voted for a president who is for murdering of the unborn babies.  They justified this because he is “supposedly” for the poor.  Bishop Schneider contradicts this idea: “This is erroneous. The first commandment which Christ gave us was to adore God alone. Liturgy is not a meeting of friends. It is our first task to adore and glorify God in the liturgy and also in our manner of life. From a true adoration and love of God grows love for the poor and our neighbour. It is a consequence.”

He ends by saying that the traditional Catholics “have kept the purity of their faith and they represent the true power of the Church in the eyes of God and not those who are in administration.”

He ends on a positive note: “I am not worried about the future. The Church is Christ’s Church and He is the real head of the Church, the Pope is only the vicar of Christ. The soul of the Church is the Holy Spirit and He is powerful.”  

So all of you traditional Catholic bishops, priests, religious and people reading this, you are the ones that Bishop Schneider has said will keep the Catholic faith pure and continuing.  After most of the other bishops, religious, priests, and other “Catholics” continuously put you down, know that God is listening and at least there is one bishop who acknowledges the precious value you have for God’s Catholic Church.  Thank you for your heroic virtues of standing strong while everything seems to be collapsing around us and no one in the Church seems to care.  God and Mary do.

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[Elsie]

...your comment is neither helpful nor appropriate.

Wave the Imperial hand; and I shall be dismissed; your liege.

[Elsie]

Let’s remove our own planks before trying to focus on their stye.Ah...

The fallback position of folks who do NOT want the world to see THEIR dirty laundry being aired.

[antidisestablishment]

I am not Catholic. Actually, Southern Baptist, but I’d rather spend my time fighting Islam. (see tagline)

[Salvation]

I’ll pray for you.

[Elsie]

THAT ought to be effective!

[Daffy]

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. It takes strength and courage to defend the indefensible, and you’ve got some things right.

“The pope, for better or worse IS the pope.” correct
“ If some cardinal archbishop . . .” correct
“I would suggest . . .[others] . . . guilty of far worse. “ correct

“. . . violation of orders by Saint JP II NOT to consecrate . . .” not exactly. He was told he would eventuallly be allowed a successor, but not now, not now, waiting for the elderly Archbishop to die and thus weaken the Society (he died 3 years later at age 85).

“What constitutes justice or injustice . . .” depends on authority? false

“. . . John Paul II rightfully declared Marcel and his SSPX friends to BE IN SCHISM.” close, but not quite. The Pope did not declare schism, but referred to a “schismatic act.”

“obscure stiff-necked French cleric” - “the French pipsqueak” false and false
He was diocesan priest, missionary priest, seminary rector, Apostalic Vicar (Dakar), Apostolic Delegate (papal representative French Africa), Superior General of the Holy Ghost Fathers, member of the Central Preparatory Commission (Vatican II), taken retirement at age 64.

I wish you could use your considerable talent and power of persuasion to combat the true enemies of all Christianity, such as Westar Institute/Jesus Seminar. But I suppose you’re busy and have your assignment.

[Gamecock]

I would rather you didn’t.

I don’t put much, uhhh, make that any stock in Roman Catholic prayers.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

there must be 30,000 or 50,000 or even 80,000 of us deceived, misled and or poorly catechized Prots out here; running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Not for long. Those old errors will cease to exist after the chastisements that are headed our way.

[Pyro7480]

Bishop Athanasius Schneider, O.R.C., Auxiliary Bishop of Maria Santissima in Astana

He also wrote a book on the Holy Eucharist that has a forward by Cardinal Ranjith.

Dominus Est – It Is the Lord! Reflections of a Bishop of Central Asia on Holy Communion

[Pyro7480]

I attend the Masses of the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest.

Bishop Schneider has ordained deacons for them:

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/news/181/92/2011-Ordination-Week-in-Gricigliano/

He has also ordained priests for the FSSP:

http://fssp.com/press/2014/05/bishop-athanasius-schneider-ordains-seven-in-omaha/

[reefdiver]

If you really feel that way, you can always slip into Catholic Church on any Sunday an see if the shoe fits. No one will know, there aren’t any secrete handshakes, just go in an sit. Stand when they stand and knell the same. Skip communion, no big deal but if it’s for you - you’ll know. Listen an watch.
On your way out Shake the priests hand and tell him what’s up.
Doesn’t take long, no heavy reading or tests to take.

[BlackElk]

As proof that you will never understand, I am scarcely a "die-hard conciliarist." There is a story that circulates in traditionalist circles that the actual Third Secret of Fatima was: Whatever you do, DON'T hold a council. I tend to strongly agree with such a sentiment.

I think evolution is a pseudo-intellectual hobby horse of people with too much time on their hands. Creation: God said it. I believe it. That settles it.

Saint John Paul II was an extraordinary man, an extraordinary pope, and an exemplary leader of Western Civilization. Benedict XVI had great strengths and was Saint John Paul II's right-hand man but as a leader, he did not match St. John Paul II. Pope Francis is of an age at which most of the same cardinal electors are likely to have a second chance to get it right.

The Roman Catholic Church has a nearly two thousand history that lends itself more to the long view of history than to the incessant immediate "emergencies" constantly concocted by the LeFebvres. Jesus Christ promised to be with the Church all days until the end of the world. His promises are good. If not, what are we arguing about?

[BlackElk]

The USA is a great country. Each person is entitled to his or her own opinions however eccentric.

[trisham]

I hear you.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

Whatever you do, don’t tick it off. It speaks for the Lord.

[BlackElk]

You imagine yourself to be a target of an inquisitorial (burn 'em at the stake) "mindset," If I thought you should be burned at the stake, I would say so and I have not. Instead, I have praised your honest efforts here on matters such as homeschooling. You will find me to be an ally on more matters than you imagine.

When I represented 1100 pro-lifers arrested generally for alleged felonies, I represented each person (including many Reformed Christians as well as Catholics) to the court according to that person's own beliefs and often not my own. 1070 were found not guilty or had their charges dismissed altogether largely because of their admirable militancy and refusal to cooperate with authorities.

I was not interested then and I am not interested now in Catholic vs. Reformed Christian old slipper chewing contests. I am who and what I am and not very likely to change. I extend the same presumption to Reformed Christians whom I encounter here or anywhere. The remaining questions have to do with where we may cooperate across denominational lines and where we may not. Once the boundaries are established, we can move forward in limited partnership.

Nearly finally, you have probably been here long enough to recall that the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club was a group of traditional Catholics here on FR not willing to allow the concept of Traditional Catholic to be hijacked by SSPX schismatics for whom disobedience to legitimate Church authority is an article of faith.

TdTGC was, to the best of my knowledge, initiated by ninenot who has not graced this site in some time. The leader of those others devoted to Marcel LeFebvre was ultima ratio who has also been gone from this site for a while now. When he went away, the purpose of the TdTGC waned. I am Irish and Scottish and English and German and stubborn as can be. I would sooner put selfies on the internet (not in my lifetime, not in God's lifetime) than become what I was brought up to think of as Protestants, although about half or more of my ancestry was Presbyterian or Anglican. I have kept the concept of TdTGC alive through my tag line just in case the schismatics return. From a Roman Catholic POV, you seem to qualify as an honest heretic (from the Mother Church, a description not insult) but you do not make false CLAIMS to be Catholic as the SSPX schismatics do. Quite the contrary. You are an honest person. Therein lies the difference.

America is a great country which accommodates us all.

[CynicalBear]

>>It then becomes the business of EVERY non-Catholic since they are the objects of that kind of treatment of Catholics with that mindset.<<

And the similarity with the Muslim attitude is troubling. Although the Catholic Church does hold that they both serve the same god.

[BlackElk]

See #28.

I rather doubt that most members of the (Tridentine only while conceding the validity of the Novus Ordo reverently celebrated) Oratory that I attend are terribly familiar with an Auxiliary Bishop in Kazakhstan of all places.

I mean, REALLY? Without accessing the internet or other sources, just off the top of your head, who is the titular bishop of Hippo? Who is each Auxiliary Bishop of Hong Kong? Who is each of the Auxiliary Bishops of Hartford (even closer to Pennsylvania than Kazakhstan)?

Be thee less deeply disturbed. You want something deeply disturbing? Google de Mallerais on the subject of Saint John Paul II, the very standard by which venomous rebelliousness may be judged. Damn straight that I have animosity towards the religious fraud that is SSPX. Wolves posing as sheep. If that makes me a fool: guilty, guilty, guilty!

[BlackElk]

I suspect that the SSPX bishops are best described as valid but not licit in their consecrations. The lifting of their excommunications has nothing to do with their standing. They are without faculties, without dioceses, without authority of any sort. What do you suppose Fellay has the nerve to be pretending to "negotiate" with the papacy? One good result of the election of Francis seems to be that Fellay is no longer purporting to "negotiate" with the pope.

As to sinkspur, who has not been seen around here in some time, I think I argued against him and Modernism more than most including you. Sinkspur was, in some respects, the opposite of SSPX except that, as a deacon, he was in no position to take it upon himself to choose and consecrate rebellious bishops.

[BlackElk]

The misguided charity of Vatican officials towards SSPX knows no bounds, and yet, to hear Fellay tell it, much less de Mallerais, they are being persecuted by schismatic popes for being too, ummm, Catholic.