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Weep for slaughtered Christians, not for dialogue with Islam
Catholic Culture.org ^ | August 29, 2014 | By Phil Lawler

Posted on 08/30/2014 11:23:26 AM PDT by Salvation

Weep for slaughtered Christians, not for dialogue with Islam

By Phil Lawler | Aug 29, 2014

Faced with the savage violence of the Islamic State (ISIS), Christians can be tempted toward two unhelpful emotional reactions.

 

On one extreme is the thirst for vengeance. If Muslims extremists kill innocent Christians, intemperate voices suggest that we should kill innocent Muslims. Then we, too, would be terrorists. I trust that rational readers recognize the problem here.

But at the other extreme is another irrational urge: the desire to overlook the violence, an inclination toward the mawkish hope that we might “just all be friends.” No doubt motivated by an ardent desire for peace, and steeped in the practices of irenicism, the Christians who fall into this trap probably confirm Islamic terrorists in their belief that the Christian West is too weak to resist them.

Thus last week Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga said that he feared the brutal persecution of Christians by the Islamic State “may push back advancements in the Christian-Muslim dialogue.”

No doubt that’s true. But the leaders of the Islamic State don’t care.

The public statements released by ISIS leaders do not mention any desire for dialogue, to put it mildly. And their reprehensible policies match their bellicose statements. They have no desire to share ideas with Iraqi Christians; they want to annihilate them. Their ultimate goal is not reach a peaceful understanding with the Western world, but to subjugate it.

At a time when Islamic militants are engaged in the wholesale slaughter of their Christian neighbors, a Catholic prelate who worries aloud about setbacks to “dialogue” seems grossly detached from reality. Dialogue and negotiation are always preferable to open warfare. (It was Winston Churchill—no pacifist, he—who observed: “To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.”) But once the bloodshed has begun, it is inane to suggest that the negotiations are not going well.

Unfortunately that vapid statement by Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga cannot be dismissed lightly. At the time he was speaking as the president of Caritas International, but he is also the chairman of the Council of Cardinals, and his public statements might be taken (or mistaken, I hope) as indicative of Vatican policy. Muslim militants would no doubt be delighted to think that when shown the severed heads of their brethren in Iraq, leaders of the Catholic Church can respond only by fretting about missed opportunities for dialogue.

And the Honduran cardinal was not finished. In fact, the quote above is cut off in mid-sentence. He went on to lament that the bloody advance of ISIS could “destroy the peaceful coexistence…enjoyed by many Muslims and Christians in all parts of the world, but most especially in the Middle East.” Here the poor cardinal comes completely unmoored from reality. It is “most especially in the Middle East” that Muslims and Christians have not lived in harmony in recent years.

For decades Lebanon furnished a model for Christian-Muslim coexistence. But that arrangement broke down 30 years ago, and the country remains in chaos. In other countries of the region—Egypt, Syria, and Iraq, for instance—Christians have worshipped freely, with only occasional troubles, in the past. But with the rise of militant Islam the peace has been broken. What Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga says could happen, actually has happened, many months or in some places many years ago.

Pope Benedict XVI recognized the problem when he delicately suggested, in his Regensburg address, that in order to engage in productive dialogue, Islam must overcome its tendency toward the irrational use of force. The violent reaction to that speech proved the Pope’s point. Even “moderate” Islamic leaders slammed the door on the Vatican, refusing to engage in discussions with an institution that might hold them accountable.

In the eight years since the Regensburg address, the continued rise of militant Islam—invariably linked with violence, and with the denial of fundamental human rights—has underlined the concerns that Pope Benedict expressed. Yet rather than pressing the argument that the Pontiff raised, Church leaders have generally backpedaled away from it. Rather than demanding that responsible Muslim leaders join in the campaign against terrorism, prelates pretend that there is no connection between Islamic faith and terrorist violence.

Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga is not alone in this respect. The US bishops’ conference, in statement released shortly after the brutal murder of James Foley was posted on the internet, reiterated the desire for dialogue with Islam and lamented that some Catholics have lost interest in that inter-faith conversation. The statement continued:

We understand the confusion and deep emotions stirred by real and apparent acts of aggression and discrimination by certain Muslims against non-Muslims, often against Christians abroad.

Would it be possible to state the case in milder, meeker—or more to the point, weaker—terms? To speak of “confusion” and “real and apparent” violence, at a time when hundreds of Christians are dying and the decapitation of an American is playing on YouTube, is a disservice to the truth. It is, moreover, a sure-fire way to convince any listening terrorists that the Catholic Church lacks the will to resist them, and most Americans that the hierarchy has nothing useful to contribute to this discussion.

To be fair, the bishops’ statement did eventually get around to mentioning “our sadness, even our outrage,” at the violence in the Islamic world. But even in that sentence, the representatives of the US bishops’ conference could not resist saying that Muslims, too, are the targets of extremists, and mentioning “the harmony that binds us together in mutual support, recognition, and friendship."

If there is to be harmony between Islam and Christianity, it must indeed by based on mutual support. And today, “mutual support” requires, at a minimum, a loud, firm, unequivocal, and sustained condemnation of all those who kills Christians in the name of Islam, and all those who support them.

In today’s Wall Street Journal the paper’s former publisher, Karen House, argues that American should expect more from her allies in the Middle East. The title of her editorial colum tells the story: “It’s time for the Saudis to Stand Up.”

Leaders of the Catholic Church should take a parallel approach in conversations with their Islamic counterparts. Tell Muslim clerics that it’s time to stand up. Tell them that we are interested in dialogue, but only if they disassociate themselves completely from those who incite, commit, or justify sectarian violence.

It’s easy enough to say that Islam is a religion of peace. But sometimes, paradoxically, it is necessary to fight for peace. Once the fight has begun, it’s time to choose sides.



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Powerful last line: It’s easy enough to say that Islam is a religion of peace. But sometimes, paradoxically, it is necessary to fight for peace. Once the fight has begun, it’s time to choose sides.
1 posted on 08/30/2014 11:23:26 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Phil Lawler Ping.

Any comments?


2 posted on 08/30/2014 11:24:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“Then we, too, would be terrorists.”

NONSENSE!!

“It is good to fear the sword of the state, for it has it’s purpose.”

Romans 13:4


3 posted on 08/30/2014 11:38:08 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm tired of people not recognizing sarcasm!)
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To: Salvation

False dilemma to claim that the only choices are taking revenge and doing nothing at all.


4 posted on 08/30/2014 11:43:37 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Salvation
On one extreme is the thirst for vengeance. If Muslims extremists kill innocent Christians, intemperate voices suggest that we should kill innocent Muslims

Nah, both of them should be spared.

5 posted on 08/30/2014 11:47:31 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: Salvation

Christians dying by the scores by Muslims is no issue.

Let someone offend a Muslim and the world is offended.


6 posted on 08/30/2014 11:50:01 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (Because Brawndo's got electrolytes. Because Ethanol has Big Corn Lobby)
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To: Salvation

The time for dialogue is over.


7 posted on 08/30/2014 11:52:45 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: G Larry

AMEN!


8 posted on 08/30/2014 11:54:52 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Salvation

9 posted on 08/30/2014 12:04:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Salvation

War of Grenada part II.

Screw em...


10 posted on 08/30/2014 12:09:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Salvation
Thus last week Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga said that he feared the brutal persecution of Christians by the Islamic State “may push back advancements in the Christian-Muslim dialogue.”

What a moron...There is no Christian-muzlim dialogue, only Catholic-muzlim dialogue...

And never will be...

11 posted on 08/30/2014 12:13:07 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

Islam is a religion whose founding principles promote expansion of the religion through violent means. To say otherwise is a deception. It is not nor has it ever been a peaceful religion.

We should not confuse the differing roles of individual christians and of governments. They are not the same.

Governments must protect their citizens from threats to their freedoms by use of diplomacy and force when necessary. Christians are called to love God ( the triune) with all their heart and mind..through prayer and adherence to the 10 commandments. We are to be Christ’s light in the world. Even if that means becoming martyrs.

Christians should engage in dialogue with everyone...remember Jesus told the apostles to deliver His message to all. Christ’s love and mercy is the best spiritual weapon there is against evil. In this sense the Cardinal is not wrong. However, governments and their leaders must use all necessary means to protect civilians including what necessary force is needed to get the job done.


12 posted on 08/30/2014 12:30:28 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Salvation
They have no desire to share ideas with Iraqi Christians; they want to annihilate them

This particular trait the Islamists share with "progressives" - they have no interest in dialogue or parity, they seek the annihilation of their opponents.

The nature of evil, I guess.

13 posted on 08/30/2014 12:31:31 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Salvation
The Almighty will know His own. They have had ample opportunity to repent. They glory in the slaughter of the faithful of Christ. They see dialogue as weakness--it gives them more fervor in their evil ways.

You cannot reason with Rabid dogs, but you can pray for them, even as you remove the threat.

14 posted on 08/30/2014 12:43:23 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: G Larry
Read it again. He said we would be terrorists if we targeted the innocent. He's right abosut that.

That's far different from targeting the aggressors, which is not only our right but our obligation. We need to target them, crush them, eliminate them.

15 posted on 08/30/2014 1:21:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Fides et Ratio.)
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To: Olog-hai
"False dilemma to claim that the only choices are taking revenge and doing nothing at all."

Lawler did not claim that massacre of the innocent, or surrender, were the only two choices. He specifically called them "two unhelpful emotional reactions."

He knows--- and you do too ---t hat there's a difference between indiscrimiante killing, which is murder, and descrimiante killing --- targeing the aggressor and his assets, in order to destroy them --- which constitutes a Just War.

16 posted on 08/30/2014 1:24:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Fides et Ratio.)
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To: Salvation
I of course would be very surprised if the Bishops called for blood, but who do they want to dialogue with? There is not a parity in Islam. There is no one leader. They are a bunch of 7th century nut jobs.

Innocent Muslims? That's a loaded couple of words that defies description.

Does make me wonder whether the left of the Church did indeed push Pope Benedict out. But even with Benedict, we lacked a Thatcher and a Reagan.

17 posted on 08/30/2014 1:25:51 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Iscool
You are not well informed. There is Evangelical-Muslim Dialogue (LINK), and has been for many decades.
18 posted on 08/30/2014 1:28:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Fides et Ratio.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

True, but others may interpret the “extremes” as the sole choices.


19 posted on 08/30/2014 1:32:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

They would be wrong.


20 posted on 08/30/2014 1:35:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Fides et Ratio.)
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