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“Francis wants to achieve unity also by reforming the papacy”
Vatican Insider ^ | July 23, 2014 | IACOPO SCARAMUZZI

Posted on 07/23/2014 9:29:31 AM PDT by NYer

Francis embraces Patriarch Bartholomew

Francis embraces Patriarch Bartholomew

Francis has nominated the Prior of Bose, Enzo Bianchi, as the consultor of the ecumenical dicastery. He speaks of “synodality and supremacy”, the martyrs of the Middle East and the intelligence of the various denominations in Ukraine

Iacopo Scaramuzzi

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“The Pope plans to reform the papacy and this will benefit relations with the Orthodox,” says the Prior of the monastic community of Bose, Enzo Bianchi. Yesterday Pope Francis appointed Bianchi as one of the new consultors of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, the Vatican dicastery led by Cardinal Kurt Koch who is in charge of ecumenical matters. The newly appointed cleric welcomed his nomination with surprise (“I didn’t expect it, he hadn’t told me anything”), predicting a synodal evolution of the Catholic Church; he urged Christians around the world not to leave their brothers and sisters in the Middle East, particularly in Iraq and Syria, alone and emphasized the fact that the various Christian denominations that exist in Ukraine have managed to avoid a “political immersion”.

 

“I didn’t expect this nomination, it caught me by surprise,” Enzo Bianchi says. “The Pope received me in audience last 2 July. It was the third time I saw him since the start of the pontificate and I was delighted; we spoke about Church unity and about what needs to be done to promote this unity. But he didn’t speak to me about this nomination.”

  

Speaking about ecumenism, the Prior of Bose said: “I think the Pope has one main concern: unity is not created with the spirituality of unity, it is a command we must follow as it is Christ’s command. It is a commitment, which he sees as a priority. He sees unity with the Orthodox Church as an urgent goal. I think the Pope wants to achieve unity also through the reform of the papacy. A papacy which his no longer feared, said Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew with whom Francis shares a friendship.” A reform of the papacy means “a new balance between synodality and supremacy. The Orthodox Church exercise synodality not supremacy, we Catholics have papal supremacy but we lack synodality. There can be no synodality without supremacy and there can be no supremacy without synodality. This would help create a new style of papal primacy and episcopal government.” A change like this would be practical: the Synod of Bishops has been around since the Second Vatican Council” and the 9-member Council of Cardinals that advise the Pope on Curia reform was the Pope’s idea. In the future, however, there is the possibility of creating “an episcopal organization that assists the Pope in leading the Church without calling papal primacy into question.”

 

Enzo Bianchi, who has dedicated his life to ecumenism, drew attention to “the delicate situation” in Ukraine, where Christian communities are fragmented: “It must be said, however, that all Churches, the various Orthodox Churches, Latin Catholics and Greek Catholics have been intelligent enough not to immerse themselves in politics; this demonstrates a better ecclesial awareness than expected.” In terms of the dramatic situation faced by Christians in the Middle East, Enzo Bianchi said “they need to feel the fraternity and solidarity of fellow Christians.” The Prior of Bose reiterated the importance of an ecumenism of the blood, which Pope Francis had stressed: “I am thinking of the Christians in Iraq and Syria: never before have there been as many martyrs as today and they are Christians of all denominations. The blood of all Christians is united beyond theological and dogmatic decisions.”


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1 posted on 07/23/2014 9:29:31 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/23/2014 9:29:53 AM PDT by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
"Fundamental transformation" deja vu all over again.
3 posted on 07/23/2014 9:30:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: NYer

Pope obama strikes again.


4 posted on 07/23/2014 9:42:29 AM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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To: NYer
From what I read, the unity between Us and the East? I really don't think I would have a problem with that. The three major sticking points are authority (Bishops), Marriage and annulment. No?
5 posted on 07/23/2014 9:49:07 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: NYer

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-calls-muslims-brothers-dome-rock-061917919.html


6 posted on 07/23/2014 9:58:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Socialists will be Socialists....


7 posted on 07/23/2014 10:00:31 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Fundamental transformation” deja vu all over again.

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Looks more like a return to fundamentals to me.

“That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me.” John 17:21

;-)


8 posted on 07/23/2014 10:09:33 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: i_robot73

Let me know when the Pope is not a leftist, and I’ll pay attention again.


9 posted on 07/23/2014 10:12:21 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The GOP-e scum enlisted Democrats to steal the Republican primary. The GOP-e can go to Hell.)
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To: defconw
Also, the Orthodox; don't have a big problem with birth control; aren't strong enough on abortion (they allow abortions in some cases); and are ok with IVF (as long as donor gametes are not used).
10 posted on 07/23/2014 10:18:31 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Sacajaweau

Wow! Just wow! This pope surely doesn’t follow the example of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 10:30:36 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: utahagen
That is something that will have to hashed out then. I would have to look more closely at the Orthodox model on these. I have swimming headache and so much on the net is BS. So I will reserve judgment. I think we have an Eastern Caucus, perhaps someone should ping them to join us?
12 posted on 07/23/2014 10:32:39 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Let me know when the Pope is not a leftist, and I’ll pay attention again.

Ouch!

13 posted on 07/23/2014 11:11:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer

I would think any possible reunification of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches would have address the issue of compulsory clerical celibacy as Orthodox priests are permitted to be married.


14 posted on 07/23/2014 11:23:48 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
as Orthodox priests are permitted to be married.

So are Catholic priests of almost all the Eastern Rites. Not an issue at all.

15 posted on 07/23/2014 1:30:10 PM PDT by pgkdan (ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST!)
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To: defconw; utahagen; The_Reader_David
The three major sticking points are authority (Bishops), Marriage and annulment. No?

FWIU, the 3 major differences between us are authority, the filioque clause and unity.

Authority or Papacy: For the Roman Catholic Church, the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, has universal jurisdiction over all the Church. This is not true in Eastern Orthodoxy. They recognise the Bishop of Rome as being primus inter pares, first among equals, but as essentially equal to the other major patriarchs (Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem).

The filioque clause The famous cause of the Great Schism of 1054. This was a modification to the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed. The question was whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, or from the Father and the Son. (filioque means "and from the Son".) For the Catholics, it is important that the phrase is used; for the Orthodox, it is breaking with tradition and perverting the doctrine of the Trinity. This problem is closely related to the above problems.

Church unity. What is necessary for the Church to be one? For Roman Catholics, it means participation in the organisation headed by the Pope. For the Orthodox, it means membership in one of the Orthodox churches, which are fully in communion with one another.

Insofar as married clergy, we have this in the Catholic Church, be it in converts to the Latin Church or in the Eastern Catholic Churches.

I have pinged one of our Orthodox freepers to help with this question.

16 posted on 07/23/2014 2:03:28 PM PDT by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Thanks for that. I forgot about the filioque. Lack of sleep I guess.


17 posted on 07/23/2014 3:45:57 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: SumProVita

Sorry. Not at the expense of weakening the Catholic Faith or the Papacy.

Why doesn’t Francis also try to achieve unity with muslims and satanists, by reforming the papacy?


18 posted on 07/23/2014 5:10:43 PM PDT by ebb tide
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19 posted on 07/23/2014 7:18:59 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

May God bless you with light.


20 posted on 07/23/2014 9:19:20 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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