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"Why Christians get the 10 commandments wrong" (Salon)
Salon ^ | 7/14/14 | Valerie Tarico

Posted on 07/15/2014 3:17:34 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

The American Bible Society funds an annual “State of the Bible” survey, and this spring the Christian Post cheered some of their findings: “The Bible continues to dominate both mind space and book retail space as America’s undisputed best-seller.” According to the study, conducted by Barna, over 88 percent of American homes contain a Bible. In fact, the average is 4.7 copies per household.

Now, I should note that a young non-religious friend once came home from school with a bright green Gideon’s New Testament that she later touted as a reserve of fine rolling papers, which may explain why the household average isn’t a solid 5.

But most Americans treat the Bible with some degree of deference.

Among adults who responded to the survey, 56% were classified as “pro-Bible” meaning they think it is the actual or inspired word of God with no errors. More than a quarter said that they read from the Good Book daily or at least several times a week. Fully half said the Bible contains everything a person needs to know to lead a meaningful life.

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To: JPX2011
But, before I go. I leave you with this prayer:

No thanks,

I pray as instructed in Scripture and I know there is only one Mediator, Jesus Christ. The delusion that there is another is only a sign of apostasy and error. It is quite instructive in the depth of a Roman Catholic indoctrination into evil.

61 posted on 07/16/2014 1:47:34 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Every American should feel outrage at any injustice done to our veterans " -Sarah Palin 5/26/14)
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To: Faith Presses On
"Why Christians get the 10 commandments wrong" (Salon) Salon ^ | 7/14/14 | Valerie Tarico

WHY?

For the same reason We don't pay our neighbor's house payment...



...OUR name is NOT on the contract with their MORTGAGE company!

The LAW was for the CHOSEN people: not GENTILES!


Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem
 1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

 6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 16 “‘After this I will return
   and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]
 18 things known from long ago.[c]

 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
 22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] [d] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas
 36 Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” 37 Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, 38 but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. 39 They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, 40 but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. 41 He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
62 posted on 07/16/2014 4:53:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Fungi

NOW I have a reason to visit the website!


63 posted on 07/16/2014 4:54:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: theBuckwheat
As with all things Progressive, he who controls the meaning of words and concepts gets to control the outcome of the debate.

Thus the reason you NEVER see the MSM using

Border Invaders!!!

to describe 'undocumented immigrants', 'needy children', 'oppressed indigenous people'; yada yada yada...

64 posted on 07/16/2014 4:58:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jeff F
... I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."
65 posted on 07/16/2014 5:00:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kcvl

Another VALERIE???


66 posted on 07/16/2014 5:01:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kcvl

She’d BETTER have cookies!!!


67 posted on 07/16/2014 5:01:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: upchuck
That DOES NOT belong on FR. I’m reporting you for that :)

He's merely trying to get you to live up to your screenname...

:-C~


68 posted on 07/16/2014 5:05:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation

Number five should read ‘murder’ - not ‘kill’.


69 posted on 07/16/2014 5:06:54 AM PDT by Hoodat (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: mosesdapoet; goat granny

Who you calling a sissy???


70 posted on 07/16/2014 5:08:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cloudmountain

You rang??



71 posted on 07/16/2014 6:07:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Faith Presses On
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/tentab.php

It is usually argued that here, God said He would make a set of tables containing the words that were on the first set; yet the ten commands that follow do not match the usual set of "Thou shalt not..." commands.

The answer: Ex. 34 contains a ritual Decalogue that is likely meant to be parallel to the ethical Decalogue, and Ex. 34 as a whole is a narrative of the renewal of the covenant following the golden calf incident.

The ritual Decalogue is an addition in light of that incident, and note that Moses is commanded to write them, whereas it is God who will write the new copy of the ethical set (34:1, 28; the subject of "he wrote upon the tables" in the last verse is God -- it is because these critics understand the subject as Moses that they are missing the point).

With that, what about the differences between Exod. 20 and Deut. 5? Let's run them in parallel and see what the issue is:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. -- Same words in Deut. 5.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. -- Same as in Deut. 5, other than perhaps some difference in vocabulary.

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. -- Again, the same.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is where the objections begin, and it's not about minor differences in vocabulary (for example, the ox and ass are specified, versus the generic "cattle"); rather, the charges emerge in the difference in reason for the Sabbath. In Exodus 20:11ff, it is said, it is becase of creation's seventh day; but in Deuteronomy 5:15 we are told:

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Critics would do well to recall here, though, that Exod. 20 and Deut. 5 are addressed to different sets of people with different experiences -- the first set had just been released from Egypt; the second set had never known slavery but were born during the Exodus; moreover, the Deuteronomy covenant would rule those who came afterwards who never knew the toil in Egypt.

The initial generation had been saved from Egyptian slavery by way of incredible miracles; for these people, the role of God as Creator was a central truth -- and they would need no reminder that they didn't get a day off in Egypt. But now, as the Israelites are about to cross the Jordan and enter into the unknown perils of taking over the Promised Land, they are better reminded of the Sabbath in light of the former (and unknown by experience) plight as slaves.

Of course, the original release marked the redemption of the Israelites, but mainly their creation as a covenanted nation. Note also that there is a difference in the word used: Ex. 20 says to remember (zakar) the Sabbath day, and tells why God blessed the Sabbath; Deut. 5 says to keep (shamar -- the meaning is to protect or guard) the Sabbath, but rememeber (zakar) the slavery in Egypt.)

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. -- Only minor differences in vocabulary here in the first of the set.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. -- Here, the order of "wife" and "house" is different, and "field" is added in Deuteronomy -- no surprise, since the Exodus group was nomadic; the next generation would settle down into agriculture.

And that's it. There's just no reason to make an issue of the variations.

-JPH

72 posted on 07/16/2014 6:08:03 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: WVKayaker
...they asked me if I wanted to find out more about their faith.

Your comeback should be:

"Do YOU want to find out more about YOUR faith?"

73 posted on 07/16/2014 6:08:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
....and in my judgment are being used wrongly.

I agree. Those images and statues ARE being used wrongly!

74 posted on 07/16/2014 6:09:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WVKayaker

10 Stars of David?


75 posted on 07/16/2014 6:10:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011
 
As opposed to this type of protestant idolatry:
 
 
If you are going to LIE about someting; please...
...don't make it SO easy to check out!
 
 

 
 
In a predominantly Muslim University town of north India...
 
http://www.outlookindia.com/article/Modernising-Madrasa-Education/234436
 
 

76 posted on 07/16/2014 6:16:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WVKayaker

I see you beat me to it!


77 posted on 07/16/2014 6:16:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: WVKayaker

Just read the last of “the prayer” that the other poster put up...

There is no doubt that that prayer refers to Mary on equal footing with Jesus.


79 posted on 07/16/2014 6:19:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: WVKayaker
Joke - jerk...



80 posted on 07/16/2014 6:21:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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