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Posted on 07/14/2014 9:20:18 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
To my Protestant brothers and sisters:
It's time to come back to Mother Church. We want you, we need you, we love you.
I've spent a lot of time in dialogue with activist atheists recently, and the direction we are going is not pretty. We are witnessing a rapid cultural decline into amorality.
Satan seeks the ruin of souls through the destruction of marriage and family, and the quickest route to his goal is the profanation of sex. The truth and meaning of human sexuality is our era's cultural fault line, and unfortunately, Protestant denominations have been tumbling into its widening crevace at an alarming pace.
The first cracks denying the sacred nature of human sexuality began mere decades ago with the first tentative acceptance of contraception by a Christian church (the Anglicans). After 1,900+ years of unbroken Christian teaching on the immorality of contraception (including 400+ years of unbroken Protestant teaching), a moral evil was suddenly declared good. The entirety of Protestantism, although horrified at first, soon followed suit.
"Woe to those who call evil good" -- Isaiah 5:20
Then came other issues -- sterilization, masturbation, abortion, fornication and cohabiting, homosexual activity and homosexual "marriage". One by one, Protestant communities have broken from Christian teaching and sided with the secular culture. Many Protestant communities do not accept all the aforementioned evils as good, of course, and some are making a valiant attempt to fight one or more of them. However, there is no guarantee that those denominations won't eventually accept other sexual sins in the same way they accepted contraception, sterilization and masturbation. A majority vote by church leaders could launch an unsuspecting Protestant from the Spirit of the Gospel right into the spirit of the age -- the Planned Parenthood age.
Look where you are standing. Unless you stand with the Catholic Church, you may already have one foot off the cliff.
How to guarantee that you'll stand firmly on the ground of moral Truth? Come back home to the Catholic Church.
For over two thousand years:
The Catholic Church has never taught that contraception is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that sterilization is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that masturbation is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that abortion is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that fornication is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that homosexual activity is a moral good, and she never will.
The moral teachings of the Church have never changed, and they never will.
Human sexuality is transcendent, life-giving and sacred, and the Catholic Church will teach that Truth till the last day.
Dear Protestant, a church with a changing morality is a church built on shifting sand. If you want to build your life and eternity on something solid, build it on the Rock of Peter. Don't be carried about by every wind of social change; come back to the Catholic Church and stand strong with us -- one united Body as Jesus intended.
America may not survive many more generations at the rate we are going, but the Church and her teachings will stand regardless, speaking the same Truths, undisturbed, till the end of time. Believe me, it's a really nice place to be in a storm. Extremely peaceful.
So, come on. You'll like it here, living in peace and joy and certainty. It's your rightful home anyway.
Come back to Holy Mother Church. It really is time.
not true at all...the Catholic Church is the only COMPLETE Christian church...the various denominations began to deny certain Christian beliefs. The denial of Christian truths is what differentiates Catholics and Protestants. For example...Christ said "whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained" and yet Protestantism denies the Sacrament of Penance.....Christ said "take this and eat of it...This is My Body" and yet protestants deny the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. It is usually not a difference in beliefs that separate us, it is the denials of what the bible teaches that do so.
nonsense...when you're wrong, you're wrong
Is that you, Josephus?
Catholics at the lay level are prohibited by the Church from debating non-Catholics. dan can provide the documentation.
wc is correct. Debating a non-Catholic over an interpretation of Scripture would utilize the Catholic’s own interpretation of Scripture, which is the very thing they condemn.
FRoman Catholics weasel out of that one too.
News to me. Looking forward to seeing that explanation come up through the rabbit hole of the assured veracity crew.
wc is correct. Debating a non-Catholic over an interpretation of Scripture would utilize the Catholic’s own interpretation of Scripture, which is the very thing they condemn.
Wrong. Talk about a case of projection if there ever was one. Catholics don't have that problem since we didn't amputate Sacred Tradition and magisterial teaching from Sacred Scripture. It's only problematic for the protestant who relies upon themself for authority.
** you have no authority to debate me on the subject of sola scriptura using Thessalonians or any other scripture.**
Where did you get that idea?
you think that Jesus mom couldn't handle the job?????????
**Because if not, then you have no authority to debate me on the subject of sola scriptura using Thessalonians or any other scripture. Why? Because based on what I’ve observed in these threads, the reasoning (and I use the term loosely) of the anti-sola scriptura crowd is that to do so would be to utilize your own understanding of scripture, which is what you folks seem to find so offensive in Protestantism.**
Source of this information, please.
This "question" is not even an original thought. It's from some fundie tract whose title and author escape me at the moment. But it does highlight a disconcerting theme that is shared between fundies and Muslims. And that is the notion that Heaven is bound by the temporal. In the case of the fundie it's the notion of time. For Muslims it's the notion of sexual relations and the 72 virgins.
Post 138 where william clark said it.
Non-repentance, and actual defense, of the sin indicates pride in that sin.
That all depends upon which time and place a member of the unchanging RCC lives in.
We furthermore forbid any lay person to engage in dispute, either private or public, concerning the Catholic Faith. Whosoever shall act contrary to this decree, let him be bound in the fetters of excommunication. — Pope Alexander IV (1254-1261) in “Sextus Decretalium”, Lib. V, c. ii:Catholic Encyclopedia, http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Religious_Discussions
Commenting on this, the 1914 Catholic Encyclopedia states, “This law, like all penal laws, must be very narrowly construed. The terms Catholic Faith and dispute have a technical signification. The former term refers to questions purely theological; the latter to disputations more or less formal, and engrossing the attention of the public....But when there is a question of dogmatic or moral theology, every intelligent layman will concede the propriety of leaving the exposition and defense of it to the clergy. - www.newadvent.org/cathen/05034a.htm
But the clergy are not free to engage in public disputes on religion without due authorization. In the Collectanea S. Cong. de Prop. Fide" (p. 102, n. 294) we find the following decree, issued 8 March, 1625: "The Sacred Congregation has ordered that public discussions shall not be held with heretics, because for the most part, either owing to their loquacity or audacity or to the applause of the audience, error prevails and the truth is crushed. But should it happen that such a discussion is unavoidable, notice must first be given to the S. Congregation, which, after weighing the circumstances of time and persons, will prescribe in detail what is to be done. The Sacred Congregation enforced this decree with such vigour, that the custom of holding public disputes with heretics wellnigh fell into desuetude.
That this legislation is still in force appears from the letter addressed to the bishops of Italy by Cardinal Rampolla in the name of the Cong. for Ecclesiastical Affairs (27 Jan., 1902) in which it is declared that discussions with Socialists are subject to the decrees of the Holy See regarding public disputes with heretics; and, in accordance with the decree of Propaganda, 7 Feb., 1645, such public disputations are not to be permitted unless there is hope of producing greater good and unless the conditions prescribed by theologians are fulfilled. The Holy See, it is added, considering that these discussions often produce no result at all or even result in harm, has frequently forbidden them and ordered ecclesiastical superiors to prevent them; where this cannot be done, care must be taken that the discussions are not held without the authorization of the Apostolic See; and that only those who are well qualified to secure the triumph of Christian truth shall take part therein. It is evident, then, that no Catholic priest is ever permitted to become the aggressor or to issue a challenge to such a debate.
font color="#4c1900">“...the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith they once received, either by corrupting the faith, as heretics, or by entirely renouncing the faith, as apostates, because the Church pronounces sentence of excommunication on both.” St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Article 9, “Whether it is lawful to communicate with unbelievers?”; http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3010.htm
Is it permitted for Christians to be present at, or to take part in, conventions, gatherings, meetings, or societies of non-Catholics which aim to associate together under a single agreement everyone who, in any way, lays claim to the name of Christian? In the negative! - (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos)
How does a Catholic sin against faith? A Catholic sins against Faith by Apostasy, heresy, indifferentism and by taking part in non-Catholic worship." (Catechism of the Council of Trent, and the Baltimore Catechism)
"If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into the synagogue of the Jews or to the meeting houses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion. If any Bishops or Priest or Deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from Communion" - III Council of Constantinople.
Quinisext Ecumenical Council, Canon 64: It does not befit a layman to dispute or teach publicly, thus claiming for himself authority to teach, but he should yield to the order appointed by the Lord, and to open his ears to those who have received the grace to teach, and be taught by them divine things; for in one Church God has made "different members," according to the word of the Apostle... But if any one be found weakening [disobeying] the present canon, he is to be cut off for forty days. — http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3814.htm
But that was the past...
Because based on what I've observed in these threads, the reasoning (and I use the term loosely) of the anti-sola scriptura crowd is that to do so would be to utilize your own understanding of scripture, which is what you folks seem to find so offensive in Protestantism.
This is true, as while they censure "private interpretation" - based upon a misappropriation of 1Pt. 1:20 - RCs have a great deal of liberty to adopt interpretations of Scripture as long as they do not contradict Rome, and as we have often seen, supporting her requires a great deal of creative writing and egregious extrapolation.
Meanwhile, the incontrovertible fact, established many times here, is that is abundantly evidenced that Scripture was the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.
And which testifies (Lk. 24:27,44, etc.) to writings of God being recognized and established as being so (essentially due to their unique and enduring heavenly qualities and attestation), and thus Scripture provides for a canon of Scripture (as well as for reason, the church, etc.)
And that there is no other objective body of Truth that is wholly inspired of God in all its words, which Rome does not even claim for its words of Tradition, nor for infallible papal pronouncements.
In contrast, the weight of Scripture is not the basis for truthfulness of Rc doctrine, and the RCs assurance of truth, but which is based upon the premise of the assured veracity of Rome.
For the RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority. (Jn. 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:13; Mt. 16:18; Lk. 10:16)
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God.
And some RCs even are honest enough to affirm this ignorant premise!
The dates on that — do you really think this is relevant?
No live link, either. It would seem these quotes might be taken out of context.
You cannot judge me. How do you know I haven’t repented — gone to Confession.
And your proof that pride is indicated?
do you ever look, lovingly, at a picture of your deceased mother???? do you ever think that somehow you are communicating with her....like saying "I love you"????
I guess you've just admitted that the Roman Catholic Church has NOTHING that a PROTESTant needs to be saved.
Thanks for FINALLY admitting it.
I'll just decide NOT to follow any of your useless unique rituals; if it's all the same to you.
Only?
That shows that YOU are the 'wrong' one here!
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Strange; that Ethiopian eunuch's mileage may differ just a bit.
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