Posted on 07/04/2014 6:49:54 AM PDT by Colofornian
Announcement: 9 November 1871
Groundbreaking and Site Dedication: 9 November 1871 by Brigham Young
Private Dedication: 1 January 1877 by Wilford Woodruff, Erastus Snow, and Brigham Young
Dedication: 6–8 April 1877 by Daniel H. Wells (with Brigham Young presiding)
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The St. George Utah Temple is the first temple where endowments for the dead were performed.
The Founding Fathers of the United States of America appeared twice to Wilford Woodruff in the St. George Utah Temple asking why their temple work had yet not been performed on their behalves. A striking painting depicting this singular event hangs in the temple lobby (That We May be Redeemed by Harold I. Hopkinson).
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He just tried to copy another artist’s portraits. A rather common thing with third tier (read amateur) artists.
But it’s the “message” don’t you know even though this so called artist was a copyist of mostly western art.
St. George was a “jumping off” point for both of us then! I think I got the better of it, though....
OK, so who put up the $$ to “dead dunk” obamaumao and Mr. Stanley his mom and jomo kenyatta obamaumo, Sr. ?
So, obamauao, who is actually a radical muslim marxist.. is somehow “cleansed” by this dunking? Surely not to the majority of Americans— only in the deluded minds of mormons, who concurrently include Sen. Orrin Hatch and Harry Reid and a slew of other establishment type mormons. Statists are statists, whether mormon muslim or elsewise. Alinskyites know no limits in false legitimization of their agents.
So this is all of interest— to follow the money that did this.
As to the Founders... if they were “dead dipped” then who paid for that (as it seems to be akin to catholic indulgences to be dipped). Credence is lent to this idea they were dead dunked, by the fact of the questionable convert Beck’s spending volumes of time on Washington, and the other Founders. Really, how does one convert from catholicism to mormonism (except as an AA rehab patient— by reason of opportune timing). To be fair, the Constitution has been presented properly as well as the separation of powers of our Republic.
As to the “apparition” of the Founding Fathers in the temple— how utterly ludicrous a fantasy to justify the
“dead dunking” providing proof of the “power” of the rite.
Ludicrous and not believable.
One day, the Founders WILL appear (and have said to have been in the past) in the halls of Congress. They will not appear at the WH— it was gutted in Truman’s time.
Deo Vindice.
Sure they “appeared” yep. Have never read or heard of this specifically happening. But can tell you that delusions are just that.. delusions. Whether induced by battlefield stress or medication, still delusions, and believable to those that have them.
Very interested to know which general officers of either Union or Confederate side had a visitation, and/or any in WWII
(leave out MacArthur,he’s excused LOL, as is Patton, whom I know about and had CSA kin).
Willing to concede there is another dimension concurrent to our own to which many sentients are attuned. But in the case of the moronis— this is seriously self serving bull crap on the order of indulgences. The “church” as the self aggrandizing State— medieval really.
Shame on you. You whetted my curiosity to see more of Hopkinson’s paintings...and now I can’t unsee them. Gah. I need the eye soap, bad.
He’s really worse than third rate. I hope he wasn’t/isn’t popular. I saw maybe one ok work. The rest...I just wish I hadn’t seen.
The citation which the Mormons hang their entire mythology of baptism for the dead is that Paul said “they”baptize were he speaking of the Church then he would have said “we” baptize.
You will find no example by name of any person who was dead that was been baptized in the new testament . You will find the names of many who were baptized or the titles of those who were baptized all of them quite alive at the time. The many creations of Joseph Smith for a religion to which he could be the sole ruling member are many and manifest the baptism of the Dead is only one of them.
Please cite the passage where the returned Jesus with a two edged sword in his mouth slaughtered anyone in Central America.
Doubtless freedomlover will have a chance to re-think his position about not worshiping that Jesus should you do so?
Daily Obsessional, holiday edition.
My father was a Mormon when at age 17 he enlisted in the United States Marine Corps, and was also on the day he was seriously wounded, after 45 days in combat on Okinawa.
He left that church in order to marry my mother, but never displayed the ridiculous, obsessional anti-Mormonism depicted here.
Good luck
:)
you have to read the Mormon religious books to get that story..
It was the Mormon jesus who killed all those people not the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible...
I’m here to learn.
Perhaps you don’t believe the Apostles of the 1st Century that said they saw many of the dead saints walking around in Jerusalem on the Easter morning
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Those people were not ghosts nor dead people they were people who came back to life and walked out of the graves when the LORD Jesus Christ rose from the dead...
there was some much power generated that not only Jesus came back to Earthly life but other dead people buried near Him were effected too...
We’ll make you an honorary Flying Inman..
:)
Perhaps your Bible has a different Final Battle? One that involves tea and crumpets, singing Kumbaya, and all agreeing to live and let live?
Oh my goodness... Thank you.
Wow.
So the guy who shows up in the End Times and kicks Satan’s butt and kills vast numbers of his minions is not your Christ? (Null and Void, post #28)
According to the Mormons those “vast numbers” killed were men, women and children in Central America when their jesus visited that area during his 40 days after sweating and bleeding for them in the garden..... (Tennessee Nana, post #36)
I missed that passage in the book of Revelation. Indeed I have searched that book in vain for any reference to the New World. Please cite the passage where the returned Jesus with a two edged sword in his mouth slaughtered anyone in Central America. Doubtless freedomlover will have a chance to re-think his position about not worshiping that Jesus should you do so? (Null and Void, Post #49)
you have to read the Mormon religious books to get that story.. (TN, post #52)
Perhaps your Bible has a different Final Battle? One that involves tea and crumpets, singing Kumbaya, and all agreeing to live and let live? (Null and Void, Post #56)
Null and Void, #1, there's an old saying:
Jesus died on the cross, but Satan got nailed.
The Son of God chose to defeat Satan by the Way of the Cross. That's what's so glorious about Him...NOT by an initial show of force.
Now, does that mean the "clean-up detail" at the end won't include any measure of force? No But #2 -- you greatly confuse the timing of your comments. The LAST thing we'd expect from the Jesus-on-the-cross would be to rip His hands/wrists free from the nails and begin wiping out entire communities...which is what the Book of Mormon Jesus did:
For those who have a Book of Mormon, you can turn to 3 Nephi chapters 8 and 9 and read the Mormon leader intro to these two chapters: Chapter 8: Tempests, earthquakes, fires, whirlwinds, and physical upheavals attest to the crucifixion of Christ – Many people are destroyed – Darkness covers the land for three days—Those who remain bemoan their fate.
Chapter 9: In the darkness the voice of Christ proclaims the destruction of many people and cities for their wickedness...
Now we need to note something here: The Bible does proclaim an earthquake occurring upon Jesus' death. But it wasn't a scene of destruction; in fact, just the opposite:
”The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people. 54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”
The Bible knows of no massive destruction accompanying the crucifixion -- or of a Jesus voice pronouncing the destruction of many people and cities! This is pure myth, introduced by Mormons in the Book of Mormon.
So...what kind of massive “Gospel destruction” does this “restored Mormon gospel” present? What kind of a violent Mormon jesus is this?
When the Mormon jesus dies, he unleashes punishment and levels 16 cities, killing an estimated 70,000- 90,000 people (see 3 Nephi 8 and 3 Nephi 9).
Yes, there was judgment on the cross!
Yes, it was terrible!
But the real Jesus absorbed all of that judgment and terror -- our very sins -- there on the cross!
Perhaps too many LDS & RLDS alike ONLY see the Book of Mormon Easter judgment upon people! The week that followed the Book of Mormon jesus’ resurrection, was a terrible 4 days or so!
No wonder many Mormons want to stay away from the cross and what immediately happened according to the Joseph Smith version of events:
* No-Cross Protocol ["New" Mormon tradition]
* Sunstone speaker attempts to explain LDS 'aversion' to cross [published by Mormon church owned Mormon Times]
The Biblical Jesus came to be our righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30); the Book of Mormon jesus came to search for mere human-produced righteousness (3 Nephi 9:11)
The Biblical Jesus came to see that they would have life (John 10:10); the Book of Mormon jesus came to bring down destruction (3 Nephi 9:12) and ensure that people would "howl" in that destruction (3 Nephi 8:23)
The Biblical Jesus came to ensure people would have abundant life (John 10:10); the Book of Mormon jesus came to ensure people would be in "continual...mourning" (3 Nephi 8:23)
The Biblical Jesus came to be the Light of the world (John 1:9; 8:12; 9:5); the Book of Mormon jesus came to yield complete darkness for three days (3 Nephi 8:23)
And this is on the up & up (if you know what I mean by "up"):
Mormon version of Jesus speaking post-resurrection:
city Zarahemla: I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof [3 Nephi 9:3; cf. 3 Nephi 8:8, 24)
city Moroni: I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. [3 Nephi 9:4; cf. 3 Nephi 8:9]
city Moronihah: have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, to hide their iniquities and their abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come any more unto me against them. (3 Nephi 9:5)
city Gilgal: have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth; [3 Nephi 9:6]
cities Onihah, Mocum, and Jerusalem: waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come up any more unto me against them. [3 Nephi 9:7]
cities Gadiandi, Gadiomnah, Jacob, and Gimgimno: all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried up in the depths of the earth, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up any more unto me against them. [3 Nephi 9:8]
city Jacobugath: have I caused to be burned with fire because of their sins and their wickedness, which was above all the wickedness of the whole earth, because of their secret murders and combinations; for it was they that did destroy the peace of my people and the government of the land; therefore I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up unto me any more against them. [3 Nephi 9:9]
cities Laman, Josh, Gad, Kishkumen: have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations. [3 Nephi 9:10]
In the true gospel Jesus is entombed.
In the Mormon “restored gospel", the mass of people in Moronihah is the emphasis of entombment, having been covered with an entire mountain by the Mormon jesus! (3 Nephi 8:10)
On Easter week! The other cities were all either sunk by the Mormon jesus, or horrifically burned to death, plus for added emphasis, ”many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land...” (3 Nephi 9:12)
The true gospel: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." (Bible, Mark 2:17)
The Mormon Easter version of this: 11 And because they did cast them all out, that there were NONE RIGHTEOUS AMONG THEM, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them. [3 Nephi 9:11]
Now if the destruction of all these Book of Mormon “cities” wasn’t enough of an “Easter tale” for Smith, here’s what he said went on in immediate days following Jesus’ resurrection:
3 Nephi 9:12:
12 And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land…
3 Nephi 8:
6 And there was also a great and terrible tempest; and there was terrible thunder, insomuch that it did shake the whole earth as if it was about to divide asunder.
7 And there were exceedingly sharp lightnings, such as never had been known in all the land.
11 And there was a great and terrible destruction in the land southward.
12 But behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the land northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed, because of the tempest and the whirlwinds, and the thunderings and the lightnings, and the exceedingly great quaking of the whole earth;
13 And the highways were broken up, and the level roads were spoiled, and many smooth places became rough.
15 And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain.
16 And there were some who were carried away in the whirlwind; and whither they went no man knoweth, save they know that they were carried away.
17 And thus the face of the whole earth became deformed, because of the tempests, and the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the quaking of the earth.
18 And behold, the rocks were rent in twain; they were broken up upon the face of the whole earth, insomuch that they were found in broken fragments, and in seams and in cracks, upon all the face of the land.
19 And it came to pass that when the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the storm, and the tempest, and the quakings of the earth did cease—for behold, they did last for about the space of three hours; and it was said by some that the time was greater; nevertheless, all these great and terrible things were done in about the space of three hours—and then behold, there was darkness upon the face of the land.
20 And it came to pass that there was thick darkness upon all the face of the land, insomuch that the inhabitants thereof who had not fallen could feel the vapor of darkness;
21 And there could be no light, because of the darkness, neither candles, neither torches; neither could there be fire kindled with their fine and exceedingly dry wood, so that there could not be any light at all;
22 And there was not any light seen, neither fire, nor glimmer, neither the sun, nor the moon, nor the stars, for so great were the mists of darkness which were upon the face of the land.
23 And it came to pass that it did last for the space of three days that there was no light seen; and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people continually; yea, great were the groanings of the people, because of the darkness and the great destruction which had come upon them.
24 And in one place they were heard to cry, saying: O that we had repented before this great and terrible day, and then would our brethren have been spared, and they would not have been burned in that great city Zarahemla…
I'm sorry, but Jesus didn't come to make people "howl" in their own destruction (3 Nephi 8:23)...that wasn't his purpose in coming the FIRST time! (Null and Void, Stop confusing His initial purpose in coming with those He may exercise later)
Jesus said: I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly. (John 10:10)
(Good for him...and for your Mom and her family that encouraged him to take that exodus step)
(And also good that he fought for our country...in contrast, look at high-level Mormon leaders like J. Reuben Clark, a "first president" counselor to more than one Mormon "prophet" for 27 years to two Lds "prophets": “War and Peace in Our Time: Mormon Perspectives” [Lds Pacifists alive and well])
The issue is freedomlover said he would not worship a Jesus who killed.
I am pointing out, or at least trying to point out, that maybe he needs to rethink that position, or he will surely be on the wrong side when He returns...
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