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I'm Gay, but I'm Not Switching to a Church That Supports Gay Marriage
The Atlantic ^ | May 30, 2013 | Eve Tushnet

Posted on 06/18/2014 12:16:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

When I became Catholic in 1998, as a college sophomore, I didn't know any other gay Christians. I'd been raised in a kind of pointillist Reform Judaism...

This sheltered upbringing may help explain my sunny undergraduate confidence that even though I knew of literally nobody else who had ever tried to be both unashamedly gay and obediently Catholic, I was totally going to do it. No problem, guys, I got this.

[snip]

[M]any Christian churches are beginning to integrate gay marriage into their theology... With so many more options for gay Christians, why [not] just de-pope myself?

It's that I fell in love with the Catholic Church....I didn't switch from atheistic post-Judaism to "belief in God," but to Catholicism: the Incarnation and the Crucifixion...her insistence that seemingly irreconcilable needs could both be met in God's overwhelming love: justice and mercy, reason and mystery, a savior who is fully God and also fully human. I didn't expect to understand every element of the faith. It is a lot bigger than I am.

[snip]

At the time of my baptism...I figured, everybody has to sacrifice something. God doesn't promise that He'll only ask you for the sacrifices you agree with and understand.

[snip]

Right now, the Biblical witness seems pretty clear. Both opposite-sex and same-sex love are used, in the Bible, as images of God's love. The opposite-sex love is found in marriage—sexually exclusive marriage, an image which recurs not only in the Song of Songs but in the prophets and in the New Testament—and the same-sex love is friendship. Both of these forms of love are considered real and beautiful; neither is better than the other. But they're not interchangeable.

Moreover, Genesis names sexual difference as the only difference which was present in Eden...

(Much more at link)

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: aelred; celibate; homosexualagenda; lesbian; saint
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Eve Tushnet

This is a well-crafted and very coherent essay, and therefore it was very hard to capture the essence of it is a 300-word excerpt. Please follow the link and read the whole thing, would you?

Class discuss.

(My verdict: it's excellent.)

1 posted on 06/18/2014 12:16:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What a great article. I can’t believe it was published in the quasi-MSM.


2 posted on 06/18/2014 12:21:34 PM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Tax-chick; little jeremiah; Salvation; narses; Running On Empty

Your thoughts?


3 posted on 06/18/2014 12:22:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There are alcoholic, drug-abusing, adulterous, bigoted, kleptomaniac and prideful sinners who are Catholic, why not homosexual? Sin is sin.


4 posted on 06/18/2014 12:23:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million for ANY 2016 pro-2nd Amendment candidate.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I figured, everybody has to sacrifice something. God doesn’t promise that He’ll only ask you for the sacrifices you agree with and understand.”

This used to be a common understanding among Christians. No longer.


5 posted on 06/18/2014 12:24:53 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I used to avoid churches because I thought they were filled with arrogant, sanctimonious, hypocritical sinners.

Then it occurred to me that I fit right in with that crowd.

6 posted on 06/18/2014 12:26:19 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is the exact type of person Pope Francis was referring to when he said “if they are seeking God, who am I to judge?”


7 posted on 06/18/2014 12:29:01 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not too long ago I was enjoying a social occasion with a dear friend. I was so happy for her company, for the time together, and her friendship…then some moron asked me if we were "partners."

Has this happened to anyone else?

I mean, my whole evening was spoiled. I was so embarrassed. Had I done something ugly to make people think that we were lesbians? I have been self-conscious about this ever since.

And it did not dispose me any better toward the gay agenda.

At least this guy gets it. We love our friends. There is nothing sexual about it.

8 posted on 06/18/2014 12:29:49 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, funny thing, you are right! Sin is sin, repentance is repentance, conversion is conversion.

Tagline.

9 posted on 06/18/2014 12:29:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future." - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Fido969

“Then it occurred to me that I fit right in with that crowd.”
Love it. So true.


10 posted on 06/18/2014 12:30:13 PM PDT by all the best
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To: Mrs. Don-o

:: Right now, the Biblical witness seems pretty clear. .
Both opposite-sex and same-sex love are used, in the Bible, as images of God’s love. ::

Absolutely and completely wrong. As a matter of fact, damnably wrong...loss of salvation wrong.
What homosexuals engage in is best described as sodomy. God does not sodomize His creation and call it love.


11 posted on 06/18/2014 12:30:16 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

Sort of reminds me of this:

http://cliptank.com/funny-clips/dave-chappelle-black-k-k-k-member.html


12 posted on 06/18/2014 12:31:18 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Gay Christian? Is that not an oxymoronic use of words?


13 posted on 06/18/2014 12:32:24 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've always heard that church is a hospital for the sinner, not a club for the perfected.

Trouble is that too many sinners have political correctness on their side and would rather drag the church down with them than take advantage of the hospital treatments offered.

14 posted on 06/18/2014 12:32:32 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t care, and (checking.....) I still don’t care.


15 posted on 06/18/2014 12:33:24 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Radicalized via the Internet)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
GOSHDARNIT, CLETUS!!

YOU DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE!

She is not justifying sodomy, she's saying why she's against sodomy. She does not at any point imply that sodomy could be part of Christian friendship!

She's chaste. Without evidence, you've judged her otheerwise. I hope you're properly abashed.

Now go back and read the article.

16 posted on 06/18/2014 12:35:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future." - Oscar Wilde)
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To: jsanders2001

Not even close.


17 posted on 06/18/2014 12:36:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future." - Oscar Wilde)
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To: mulligan
No. She is same-sex attracted, which is how she is using the word "gay." But she is single, abstinent, chaste.

It's like being "a Christian and a dry alcoholic." You still have an appetite. You don't indulge in it anymore.

18 posted on 06/18/2014 12:38:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future." - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Why’d you waste the electrons?


19 posted on 06/18/2014 12:39:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future." - Oscar Wilde)
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