Posted on 06/10/2014 5:29:59 PM PDT by ebb tide
Updates: I have been provided some background and additional info: Ever since the archdiocese learned of his homily remarks, he has been forbidden to offer public Masses in the NY archdiocese. A letter of complaint has been ldged with his home diocese of Johannesburg, S. Africa, as well as with his nuncio in Pretoria.
Fr. Wylie has been in NYC as a visiting priest for three years. His term at the Holy See's Permanent Observer Mission to the UN was supposed to end in July. Once his remarks got out, he was sent packing immediately; he no longer works there.
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Which is a good example of why I attend Mass so infrequently.
I’m a conservative Roman Catholic and I have no idea what’s going on here....
Will somebody please translate into English?
Is this about the Tridentine Mass?
Priest who supported it is gone?
Fr. Wylie gave the following sermon recently in New York. All hell broke out afterward. The comments in brackets are from Fr. Z: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/05/must-read-fr-wylies-hard-hitting-sermon-at-holy-innoncents-manhattan-nyc-how-traditionalists-are-treated-by-priests-and-bishops/
Dear friends – and mark well that I speak to you now from the prophetic heart of my sacerdotal paternity – Dom Prosper Gueranger has something important to say also about threes. Hear it well:
“[T]he sacraments, being visible signs, are an additional bond of unity between the members of the Church: we say additional, because these members have the two other strong links of union – submission to Peter and to the pastors sent by him and profession of the same faith. The Holy Ghost tells us, in the sacred Volume, that a threefold chord is not easily broken [Eccles. Iv 12]. Now we have such a one, and it keeps us in the glorious unity of the Church: hierarchy, dogma, and sacraments, all contribute to make us one Body. Everywhere, from north to south, and from east to west, the sacraments testify to the fraternity that exists amongst us; by them we know each other, no matter in what part of the globe we may be, and by the same we are known by heretics and infidels. These divine sacraments are the same in every country, how much soever the liturgical formulae of their administration may differ; they are the same in the graces they produce, they are the same in the signs whereby grace is produced – in a word, they are the same in all the essentials” (pp. 228-9).
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Dom Gueranger writes these words for us under his entry for precisely this Fourth Sunday after Easter, when in this parish, as I understand, you will meet to discuss a path forward for the precarious existence of your own worshipping community. Will this be the path Christ charts or will we make of ourselves instruments of the evil one for division and derision? The test of this, as in all things, is charity. Deus caritas est; et ubi caritas est vera, Deus ibi est. Where there is a breakdown of charity, there also is the spirit of the antichrist. I urge you, therefore, to be obedient and to be charitable with your legitimate superiors in all this, as well as with each other. Be firm and clear, also, and just; however, let charity always be the litmus test of whom it is you serve.
Allow me to say, first of all, that it has been my great privilege to serve this community during my term in New York. I have benefitted and learned so much from you and from your piety and fidelity, vivacity and zeal. [I echo what Father is saying here...] I refer to all of you, now – you know who you are, I hope, from the love that I bear for you. Some I know better than others, through service at the altar – your acolytes and MCs; others I have loved with my voice and through my ears (like the organists and choir); others yet through my eyes, such as those who keep the church so beautiful, restored and adorned with flowers; others yet I bear with love, such as those who source and restore such magnificent vestments; many of you are known to me in the intimacy of the confessional or through the rich friendship of spiritual direction: upon all of you I gaze from this pulpit with a father’s love and admiration. Yet I must make my own the words of our Blessed Lord when I tell you that my heart breaks with pity to behold those who seem to be as though sheep without a shepherd. [Do I hear an “Amen!”?]
Allow me to explain. When I first came to New York, I marveled at the freedom traditional Catholics had always enjoyed in New York. When the Mass of the Ages seemed everywhere in the world effectively to have been banned, here in New York it found a home. “What freedom!” I thought, “What magnanimity from the pastors of the Church here in this place!” Now, however, with the benefit of time and deeper understanding, I see the superficiality of this first appreciation. Indeed, such a conclusion would be more befitting the 1980s and 1990s when Catholic laypeople were organizing such masses here and there on an ad hoc basis. First at St. Agnes, I believe, and then elsewhere, “homes” were found for such communities … and this indeed did give for their members here a happier prospect than in many parts of the world. But in a post-Summorum Pontificum Church, after Pope Benedict courageously proclaimed that the extraordinary form of the liturgy pertains equally to the fulness of the Roman rite, this approach cannot any more, I think, be characterised as true magnanimity.
As I said: during the dark days of prohibition, New York seemed to be a happy place to be for you because of the indult-masses at places like St. Agnes, but in the fresh juridical freedom Summorum Pontificum brings, New York has become, in my view, a less felicitous place for traditional Catholics: because nothing is structured, nothing acknowledged. Who takes responsibility for you pastorally?
Pastores dabo vobis, the Lord promises Jeremiah: I will give you shepherds! Fundamentally – and this is something about which I urge you to think well and pray much about – as a priest, I have to say: I worry about the situation of traditional Catholics in the Archdiocese. Yes, the archdiocese ‘permits’ a traditional mass here or there — but responsibility for the matter continues to rest upon the initiative and resourcefulness of the laity, who with enormous difficulty have to source priests hither and thither as though we were seemingly still living in Reformation England or Cromwellian Ireland. Isn’t it high time for the Church to take pastoral responsibility also for these sheep? Do they not deserve a shepherd? a parish? or at least some sense of juridical security? What happens to you when the parish you are harbouring in closes its doors? [Do I hear an “Amen!”?]
What will become of the priestly vocations aplenty I see in these numerous young men of such quality as we have in abundance serving here at Holy Innocents, St. Agnes and elsewhere – remaining as they do at the mercy (and sometimes, caprice) of ‘landlords’ who, for one reason or another, ‘permit’ their presence in their parishes? Doors everywere seem closing to them. Our Saviour has closed its doors to them. St. Agnes, for its part, guards its doors vigilantly to make sure they don’t enter the building 5 minutes too early or don’t overstay their welcome by 5 minutes more. Now, it seems, the doors of Holy Innocents will be closed to them, too. Taken together, this is, in my view, a clear instance of exclusion: an injustice which you should bring to the attention of your shepherd, I think. You are fully-fledged members of the baptised Faithful, for heaven’s sake: why are you scurrying about like ecclesiastical scavengers, hoping for a scrap or two to fall from the table for your very existence? [OORAH!] The precariousness of your community cannot hinge on a church building being available to you as though you were a mere sodality or guild. The days of renting space in hotels and the like must surely be over. You are not schismatics! Are you schismatics? [we are treated as if we are, while true schismatics and heretics get away with everything, and are even rewarded in some places.]
Whatever happens to Holy Innocents – and this will be the decision of your chief-shepherd here, who will base his decision on more information than any of us has at his or her disposal – you need to assert that you belong to the Church as fully as any other community. You have found a home here, largely through your own hard work and perseverence: no good shepherd could dispossess you of your home without providing safety and good pasture elsewhere. Parishioners of a Novus ordo parish closure might easily find another ‘home’ nearby; but what of you? You have a right to find the Mass (and not only on Sundays); and not only the Mass, but the other sacraments and rites of the Church. Closing this parish is more akin to closing a linguistic parish or a Oriental rite parish. What becomes of you?
No longer, I say, should you think of yourselves as squatters in the mighty edifice of Holy Church, nor should you find yourselves turned out like squatters. Shepherds must needs make difficult decisions, such as the erection or suppression of parishes – that is their onerous duty and in this they must have our obedience, charity and prayer: but never should they throw open the sheep-fold and allow the uncertain dispersion of their sheep into a world full of wolves. Charity, of course, is a two-way street.
Yes, it’s all about the Traditional Latin Mass.
I don't do videos or links if the summary requires a Ouija Board to understand.
Joe Biden gets a front-row seat, Communion, and a shout-out from the sanctuary at St. Patrick’s. A priest makes some mild, true remarks from the pulpit, and is stripped of his faculties.
Oblique, mild, and fully justified criticism of Cardinal Dolan offends Cardinal Dolan more than the killing of 58 million babies.
I am totally with Ann Barnhardt regarding Dolan. And in case you missed, it, she says he an unmitigated jackass.
Cardinal O’Malley has similar plans.
“Boston Latin Mass community under threat by archdiocese”
Meanwhile he is busy appointing “La Cage aux Folles” to the new “collaboratives” (one pastor per collaborative, each collaborative comprised of three separate parishes). The Lavender Mafia seems to be running the show.
http://throwthebumsoutin2010.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-archdiocese-of-boston-is-gone-to.html
Bravo!
Ditto
I was glad to help!
“Yes, it’s all about the Traditional Latin Mass.”
No, it’s about something else - related to the Latin Mass. It’s about the deliberate ghettoizing of Latin Mass goers and the denial of full sacramental, liturgical and pastoral care to those Latin Mass goers by their bishops.
As supposed to a "mitigated" jackass??
That there is truly funny!
Wrong, It is all about the TLM.
Without the TLM, you don’t get “full sacramental, liturgical and pastoral care” because it’s already gone.
Dolan is cutting off the head of what he, and Francis, thinks is a snake.
So much for the Roman Catholic unity we keep hearing about.
“Without the TLM, you don’t get “full sacramental, liturgical and pastoral care” because it’s already gone.”
That’s clearly false. Those in Eastern Catholic Churches know that statement to be false. Also, anyone in a Catholic parish with a good pastor can receive the full sacramental, liturgical and pastoral care” of the Church.
Exactly.
Once again, in this case, it is all about the TLM.
It has nothing to do with Eastern Catholic Churches, they are not being persecuted as the TLM is. Nor is the Novus Ordo.
Meanwhile, in the diocese just east of NYC - the Diocese of Bridgeport - TLM is expanding, not contracting. It’s an express MetroNorth train ride from Grand Central to St. John the Evangelist basilica, for example. Check the website for the Diocese of Bridgeport on the “Find a Parish” page for Mass times. And a little further up the road at St Mary in Norwalk, there’s a solemn high every Sunday @ 9:30 a.m.
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