EARLY HISTORY OF THE BIBLE

http://www.cathtruth.com ^

[NKP_Vet]

The original writings from the Apostles themselves (the autographs) no longer exist.

This is due partly to the perishable material (papyrus) used by the writers, and partly the fact that the Roman emperors decreed the destruction of the sacred books of the Christians (Edict of Diocletian, A.D. 303).

Before translating the Bible into Latin, St. Jerome already translated into more common languages enough books to fill a library. (Saint Jerome, Maisie Ward, Sheed & Ward; A Companion to Scripture Studies, Steinmuller.)

In the year 383, he revised the Latin New Testament text in accordance with some Greek manuscripts. Between the years 390 and 406 he translated the Old Testament directly from the Hebrew, and this completed work is known today as the "Old Latin Vulgate". The work had been requested by Pope Damasus, and Copies of St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate appeared uncorrupted as late as the 11th century, with some revisions by St. Peter Damian and Lanfranc. (Catholic Encyclopedia, "Place of the Bible in the Church", C.U.A.)

Pope Benedict XV wrote about St. Jerome's translation in his 1920 encyclical, Spiritus Paraclitus, "Nor was Jerome content merely to gather up this or that teacher's words; he gathered from all quarters whatever might prove of use to him in this task. From the outset he had accumulated the best possible copies of the Bible and the best commentators on it," . . . "he corrected the Latin version of the Old Testament by the Greek; he translated afresh nearly all the books of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Latin; . . . he discussed Biblical questions with the brethren who came to him, and answered letters on Biblical questions which poured in upon him from all sides; besides all this, he was constantly refuting men who assailed Catholic doctrine and unity."

[JPX2011]

Right on schedule. The Saturday morning cartoon.

[Elsie]

“It is easier to live as a Protestant, but better to die as a Catholic” ~ Attributed to Martin Luther"

"I can get my Son to do whatever I ask Him." ~ Attributed to Mary; Mother of GOD.

[Elsie]

Right on schedule. The Saturday morning cartoon.

It's amazing what ya get; when a person is brought up on silly little stories; seen and heard over and over again; and augmented with sugary cereals and caffeinated drinks...

[Elsie]

Arthur: What does it say?
Brother Maynard : It says: "Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Aramethia. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of AAAhhahhhhahhaaa."
Arthur: What?
Brother Maynard : The Castle of AAahaahhaaaaaa.
Sir Bedemere: What, he's dead?
Brother Maynard: He must've died while carving it.
Arthur: Oh, come on!
Brother Maynard: Well that's what it says.
Arthur: Look, if he was dying he wouldn't bother to carve "Aahhaahaaaaaa." He'd just say it.
Brother Maynard: Well that's what's carved in the rock.
Sir Lancelot: Perhaps he was dictating.
Arthur: Oh, shut up.

 

 

[daniel1212]

“An RC has spoken, the matter is settled,” is a delusion that has infected the laity from the arrogance of Rome.

[JPX2011]

“An RC has spoken, the matter is settled,” is a delusion that has infected the laity from the arrogance of Rome

Not as delusional or arrogant as the Jesus is my boyfriend/buddy Christ crowd and their 30k infallible interpretations of scripture.

[daniel1212]

Such an official interpreter is absolutely necessary if we are to understand the Bible properly. (We all know what the Constitution says, but we still need a Supreme Court to interpret what it means.)

The magisterium is infallible when it teaches officially because Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles and their successors “into all truth” (John 16:12–13).

Such an official interpreter is absolutely necessary if we are to understand the Bible properly.

The magisterium is infallible when it teaches officially because Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the apostles and their successors “into all truth” (John 16:12–13).

Thus, i must asked again, your argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for valid assurance of Truth and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith. (Jn. 14:16; 16:13; Mt. 16:18)

And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God?

[Gamecock]

***“It is easier to live as a Protestant, but better to die as a Catholic” ~ Attributed to Martin Luther***

“If only I could have the same assurance of salvation that our Protestant brethren rightly possess.”. Attributed to John Paul II.

[stonehouse01]

“It was your guys who screwed things up...”

We screwed up administratively and it was fixed; we did not screw up doctrinely.

[daniel1212]

Not as delusional or arrogant as the Jesus is my boyfriend/buddy Christ crowd and their 30k infallible interpretations of scripture.

The former superficiality is a result of declension from historical SS, and in fact the more Caths. see the Bible as literally being the word or God as evangelical do, then the more conservative they are, but which is not the majority of those Rome holds as members in life and in death. Which treatment and overall fruit testifies to what she really believes. (Mt. 7:20; Ja. 2:18)

As for "30k infallible interpretations of scripture," your definition of Protestantism is far too loose to be meaningful, while evangelicals are still more unified in basic conservative beliefs than Catholics.

Moreover, RCs have a great deal of liberty to interpret Scripture as long as they do not contradict Rome, which has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

[vladimir998]

“But YOU apparently have the list at your finger tips; so why not post and teach?”

But YOU have been given the list repeatedly over the years in may posts; so why not simply learn?

[NKP_Vet]

“Who do you think you are? My Dad??? The “discussion” isn’t ended until I decide I’m done”

I started this thread, which of course has turned into nothing but a Catholic-bashing and how all things protestant are good and Catholic wrong. I should have known the same posters would weight in with their same old tired comments and I’m tired of talking to a wall. So my part in the discussion is over. You have started using the same tactics as others on here use when asked a specific question that you can’t refute, and that is to ignore the question. So like I said I can’t talk to someone that is always right and the Catholic of course is always wrong. So please continue all your want with someone that wants to put up with your all-knowing arrogance because I don’t.

[metmom]

Luther is a weak vessel to lay a faith foundation upon - his switching the bible to sola fide and sola scriptura began a grave error.

Nobody is laying a foundation on Luther. That's only a figment of Catholic's imaginations. Some Catholic somewhere started with this *Protestants follow Luther* nonsense and they all jumped on the bandwagon as if it were fact.

Fact is, born again believers follow Christ, the foundation on which our faith is built. HE is the Rock and because of that, we will never be moved.

Problem Catholics can't seem to overcome is the concept that others don't follow earthly men as Catholics have been indoctrinated to do since birth.

It's hard to break a cult mindset of following man, but it is essential for one's spiritual well being.

Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman who converted to Catholicism (and was ostracized in many circles for it) said that: “to be deep in history is to cease to be protestant.”

To be deep in Scripture is to cease to be Catholic.

Revisionist Catholic history is a weak vessel to lay a foundation on.

[metmom]

The Catholic Church was FOUNDED BY CHRIST. End of discussion.

Wrong. The Catholic church is not named by name when Christ said that He would BUILD His church.

The RCC claim that Christ meant itself has absolutely NO Scriptural support. It's all based on its own opinion.

Nobody is obligated to believe anyone else's opinion.

[metmom]

Not as delusional or arrogant as the Jesus is my boyfriend/buddy Christ crowd and their 30k infallible interpretations of scripture.

John 15:12-15 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.

Would you disparage Jesus? HE is the one who calls us His friends.

[metmom]

The magisterium is empty verbiage.

If the magisterium were infallible, being guided by the Holy Spirit, then every single last decision it makes would ALWAYS be unanimous.

The fact that decisions made in the Catholic church is majority rules completely demolishes any attempt to claim that it is guided by the Holy Spirit.

[Elsie]

Not as delusional or arrogant as the Jesus is my boyfriend/buddy Christ crowd and their 30k infallible interpretations of scripture.

No!

It's 50,000 or 80,000 now!

Didn't youy get the memo?

[Elsie]

You continue to expect Logic; where Emotion rules.

[Elsie]

We screwed up administratively and it was fixed; we did not screw up doctrinely.

So; how much do Indulgences cost these days?

[metmom]

I started this thread, which of course has turned into nothing but a Catholic-bashing and how all things protestant are good and Catholic wrong.

Well, then, don't go posting sharp stick in the eye to non-Catholics type threads.

The martyr complex doesn't wear well when threads are posted with the intent to provoke a reaction.

If you don't like others coming in and defending their beliefs, post the threads as Catholic caucus.

And then don't be a hypocrite and go on Protestant threads and start Protestant bashing with your Protestant hate.