Posted on 04/21/2014 8:51:13 PM PDT by Salvation
LOL!
Impossible for me not to. Reading it brought such memories - a smile and that always-proper attitude of gratitude.
Blessings to all those who remember!
Nope...Just have to get everything in the right perspective, and in the right dispensation...
Water never did a thing for anyone in the New Testament...Getting wet was always the reaction for something else...
>>If you want to bash PROTESTants, go to your nearbyCATHOLIC Church.<<
I was born and raised a Catholic and practiced until my 20s. I never heard a single disparaging word about Protestants (in fact, they never came up at all).
One thing I can all but guarantee. We don’t have Catholics on this board trolling Protestant threads, spoiling for a fight, name-calling, and lying about them.
>>And YES, Peter DID REPENT!<<
There are many important aspects to Peter’s moment of weakness. God spoke to all of us with that act:
* Peter and the Apostles were MEN. Without human frailty and weakness there was a very good chance they would be venerated as direct equals to Christ and not His message bearers.
* We all sin and make mistakes. It is the human condition.
* As you note, Peter repented and Christ forgave him. Through confession and forgiveness there is grace.
These critical points would not have been clarified without Peter’s act on that fateful day.
I should have pointed out upthread that Peter’s act did NOT change the fact he was given the task of building Christ’s Church: The RCC. I let myself be lured by verbal chicanery...
**One thing I can all but guarantee. We don’t have Catholics on this board trolling Protestant threads, spoiling for a fight, name-calling, and lying about them.**
Thank you. I think a lot of people notice that.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/born-again-in-baptism
One key Scripture reference to being “born again” or “regenerated” is John 3:5, where Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
This verse is so important that those who say baptism is just a symbol must deny that Jesus here refers to baptism. “Born again” Christians claim the “water” is the preached word of God.
But the early Christians uniformly identified this verse with baptism. Water baptism is the way, they said, that we are born again and receive new life—a fact that is supported elsewhere in Scripture (Rom. 6:3–4; Col. 2:12–13; Titus 3:5).
No Church Father referred to John 3:5 as anything other than water baptism.
Christianity is BOTH a faith and a relationship.
How true.
Even the “ born-agains “ do have their baptism services conducted as well.
My brother’s wife was Presbyterian. I found it odd that she and her parents went to three different Presbyterian churches. It might have been different branches.
My son’s wife is also Presbyterian and they got married in her church. They were allowed to have Beatles music played at the wedding. She marched down the aisle to the tune of “Here Comes the Son.” I teased my son that when he stepped up to the altar, they should play “Fool on the Hill.”
Oops! That should have been “Here comes the Sun.”
Nah, early Christians knew better than that...There's not a drop of water in those verses you mentioned...
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
There's not a drop of water in this verse...Washing does not mean water and certainly doesn't mean baptism...
Regeneration washes (cleans) us, not water...
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Water baptism is the answer of a good conscience...It doesn't clean or wash anything...The verse says so right there....And what does that 'answer' reflect??? It reflects a good conscience from repentance (turning to God)...It is and always was a 'testimony' showing the sinner repented...
This verse is so important that those who say baptism is just a symbol must deny that Jesus here refers to baptism. “Born again” Christians claim the “water” is the preached word of God.
Not any born again Christians I know...They and I know it's a reference to physical birth...
Catholics get baptized with the baptism of John...Christians get baptized with the baptism of the Holy Spirit...
Thank you for posting this. I too was born and raised a Catholic, went to Catholic school in fact...and at graduation walked away from the faith into an evangelical situation. I took a very long and arduous spiritual journey through a number of belief systems.
Last year I came home to my Catholic faith, again. I wish I could express with articulate grace just how different the Catholic faith is to me today, than say those so many years ago when I walked away. Today I cannot even get through Mass without shedding a tear or two. The Bible is a lamp unto my feet and the traditions of the faith fill in the blanks once one understands where they are derived from.
Just like a family may keep a family record, so too are the traditions practiced that act as the glue to keep the family together.
Yes, it does pain my heart to see all the anti-Catholic bashing amongst Christians. Oddly, in all my spiritual journey, I never experienced such vitriol as what I see/read take place here on FR. And I have come to embrace the idea of, “shaking the dust from my shoes,” in order to discern through some of these threads.
Yeah; sure...
I guess the CC found the Dead Sea Scrolls; too...
Gee; it only takes a slight effort to put your stuff in CAUCUS where you can glad hand all day long and not be ANNOYED by facts that offend you.
Have YOU ever heard of Luther?
Then the Gospel writers did ol' Pete a disservice by even mentioning his LIES; didn't they...
Wrong word - PARTIALLY is the one that would be a bit more truthful.
Is YOUR name Spartacus; too?
(We BOTH gonna git it now!)
A point which I have made at least twice in this thread, though somehow you and a couple of others seem oblivious to it.
Oblivious... good word.
Describes the response to #55.
(I wonder if THESE popes are forgiven by Christ?)
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