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Canonization of popes John Paul II, John XXIII to draw millions to Rome
New York Post ^ | 04/20/14 | Pedro Oliveira Jr

Posted on 04/20/2014 10:45:40 AM PDT by Old Yeller

Easter services today are expected to kick off a record-breaking week at the Vatican. Two beloved modern popes — John Paul II and John XXIII — are to be canonized at the Vatican next Sunday by Pope Francis. There will be services all week, which could draw the most pilgrims ever to the Catholic capital. John Paul II is remembered for helping to bring down communism and for inspiring a generation of Catholics.

Many now call him “The Great,” only the fourth pope to have earned the moniker. And while much of the crowd’s focus will be on the Polish pope’s remarkable achievements, Pope John XXIII — known as the “Good Pope” for his kindhearted nature — was no less revolutionary. Pope Francis bypassed the second miracle typically required for canonization for John XXIII, declaring that he deserved the honor for having convened the Second Vatican Council.

Rome officials said they expected 3 million visitors in the city during the period from the Easter celebrations this weekend and the canonization next Sunday. Nineteen heads of state and 24 prime ministers are expected to attend the canonization ceremony in St. Peter’s Square. In line with Pope Francis’s no-frills papacy, organizers said the canonizations would be a much more sober affair than the three-day extravaganza that marked John Paul’s beatification, the last step before sainthood, in 2011. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the vicar of Rome, said some churches would remain open overnight on the eve of the canonization to provide a spiritual retreat for pilgrims, “but not much else.”

Francis has long signaled his support for making a saint of John Paul II, whose funeral nine years ago saw mourners chant, “Santo subito [Saint now]!”

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To: Biggirl
The NO for me is the ONLY mass rite I have known my whole life, the one that seems to be bashed in order to have TLM “pushed” onto me bigtime shows how weak your arguments are.

Is Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI one of those evil bashers? After all, he referred to the NO as a "banal, on-the-spot product".

81 posted on 04/21/2014 2:34:30 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: piusv

Maybe, just maybe the ordinary mass simply was going back to the “roots” of the Church, that is, the early Church:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=505801


82 posted on 04/21/2014 2:35:43 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BlatherNaut

Did not Pope Benedict XVI Emeritus also called for Catholics not fight each other over which mass form is best?


83 posted on 04/21/2014 2:38:49 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BlatherNaut

“Of course it is, if one ignores historical reality.”

I’m the only one between us talking about historical reality: papal sedan chairs, papal tiaras, kissing the pope’s feet, temporal oaths of fealty to the pope - all realities - none of which are practiced today.


84 posted on 04/21/2014 2:43:51 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Biggirl
Plus it decreases my respect for those who attend TLM (for the last 1,000+ years).

Most of your church's history. OK

Sorry you had to be born during Lucifer's reign. But that was God's will.

85 posted on 04/21/2014 2:53:15 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: steve86

....Or rather a Church going home to its ancient roots.


86 posted on 04/21/2014 2:56:44 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: piusv

“un-Catholic comments”

What comments would that be?


87 posted on 04/21/2014 2:58:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

They have been discussed ad nauseum in other threads. I’m not going to rehash them here. But I’m sure there will be something new soon.


88 posted on 04/21/2014 2:59:42 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

Every town in the world has a Catholic Church that performs the traditional mass. It is not forbidden.


89 posted on 04/21/2014 3:00:39 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: Biggirl

So, the Catholic Church worshipped incorrectly for hundreds of years?


90 posted on 04/21/2014 3:00:42 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/mass-of-the-early-christians-mike-aquilina/1102086558?ean=9781592763207


92 posted on 04/21/2014 3:04:00 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

That doesn’t answer the question. Why would the Catholic Church after hundreds of years all of a sudden have a need to “return to antiquity”? Were they doing it wrong all those years? Or was there some other agenda?


93 posted on 04/21/2014 3:06:08 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Biggirl

The ancient roots would be the house Masses that Justin Martyr describes from early Catholic days. Very similar to the Novus Ordo Mass.

Done in their native tongue too — not Latin!


94 posted on 04/21/2014 3:16:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv

This is not an exhaustive listing. Updated all the time.

http://www.latinmasstimes.com/


95 posted on 04/21/2014 3:21:25 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: vladimir998
I’m the only one between us talking about historical reality: papal sedan chairs, papal tiaras, kissing the pope’s feet, temporal oaths of fealty to the pope - all realities - none of which are practiced today

The ceremonial gestures which some might mistake for idolatry have been abandoned. However, an extensive, media-driven cult of personality and a novel element of papolatry have more recently emerged within the Church. The Pope has become a cult-like figure comparable to a world-famous rock star.

And speaking of oaths, weren't the FFI members expected to sign an oath which asserts that the modern Roman Rite is an authentic expression of the liturgical tradition of the Church (an absurdity on its face, as it was, according to BXVI, "a banal on-the-spot product)?

96 posted on 04/21/2014 3:34:44 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

“The ceremonial gestures which some might mistake for idolatry have been abandoned.”

In itself that shows the pope is less admired than he once was.

“However, an extensive, media-driven cult of personality and a novel element of papolatry have more recently emerged within the Church.”

False. All popes have had “cults of personality” then since all have been largely treated as the current popes. The only difference is the frequency of reference (24 hour news channels and such) and the openness to the public.

“The Pope has become a cult-like figure comparable to a world-famous rock star.”

Popes always had such a status. All one has to do is look at how Pope Pius XII attracted crowd - or Urban II for that matter.

“And speaking of oaths, weren’t the FFI members expected to sign an oath which asserts that the modern Roman Rite is an authentic expression of the liturgical tradition of the Church (an absurdity on its face, as it was, according to BXVI, “a banal on-the-spot product)?”

How would that be relevant in any case?


97 posted on 04/21/2014 3:42:04 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: BlatherNaut

Vatican City is a state/country in it’s own right. The Pope is treated much like a president from any other country and rightly should be. How many presidents have over a billion people to preside over.


98 posted on 04/21/2014 3:50:07 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: Biggirl

“Primitivism” is rooted in Protestantism (as was the post-VII reductionist assault on the Mass). Theologians who promoted the possibility of universal salvation in contradiction of Scripture (e.g. Rahner and von Balthasar) also got into the act (note the mistranslation of “for many” to “for all” that was only recently corrected). The facts are available for anyone willing to do a bit of research.


99 posted on 04/21/2014 3:50:42 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: piusv
Oh no worries at all. I sometimes to post the wrong person, or even the wrong thread! Confused the heck out of some fellow Freepers. Lol.
100 posted on 04/21/2014 4:33:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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