Posted on 04/20/2014 10:45:40 AM PDT by Old Yeller
Is Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI one of those evil bashers? After all, he referred to the NO as a "banal, on-the-spot product".
Maybe, just maybe the ordinary mass simply was going back to the “roots” of the Church, that is, the early Church:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=505801
Did not Pope Benedict XVI Emeritus also called for Catholics not fight each other over which mass form is best?
“Of course it is, if one ignores historical reality.”
I’m the only one between us talking about historical reality: papal sedan chairs, papal tiaras, kissing the pope’s feet, temporal oaths of fealty to the pope - all realities - none of which are practiced today.
Most of your church's history. OK
Sorry you had to be born during Lucifer's reign. But that was God's will.
....Or rather a Church going home to its ancient roots.
“un-Catholic comments”
What comments would that be?
They have been discussed ad nauseum in other threads. I’m not going to rehash them here. But I’m sure there will be something new soon.
Every town in the world has a Catholic Church that performs the traditional mass. It is not forbidden.
So, the Catholic Church worshipped incorrectly for hundreds of years?
That doesn’t answer the question. Why would the Catholic Church after hundreds of years all of a sudden have a need to “return to antiquity”? Were they doing it wrong all those years? Or was there some other agenda?
The ancient roots would be the house Masses that Justin Martyr describes from early Catholic days. Very similar to the Novus Ordo Mass.
Done in their native tongue too — not Latin!
The ceremonial gestures which some might mistake for idolatry have been abandoned. However, an extensive, media-driven cult of personality and a novel element of papolatry have more recently emerged within the Church. The Pope has become a cult-like figure comparable to a world-famous rock star.
And speaking of oaths, weren't the FFI members expected to sign an oath which asserts that the modern Roman Rite is an authentic expression of the liturgical tradition of the Church (an absurdity on its face, as it was, according to BXVI, "a banal on-the-spot product)?
“The ceremonial gestures which some might mistake for idolatry have been abandoned.”
In itself that shows the pope is less admired than he once was.
“However, an extensive, media-driven cult of personality and a novel element of papolatry have more recently emerged within the Church.”
False. All popes have had “cults of personality” then since all have been largely treated as the current popes. The only difference is the frequency of reference (24 hour news channels and such) and the openness to the public.
“The Pope has become a cult-like figure comparable to a world-famous rock star.”
Popes always had such a status. All one has to do is look at how Pope Pius XII attracted crowd - or Urban II for that matter.
“And speaking of oaths, weren’t the FFI members expected to sign an oath which asserts that the modern Roman Rite is an authentic expression of the liturgical tradition of the Church (an absurdity on its face, as it was, according to BXVI, “a banal on-the-spot product)?”
How would that be relevant in any case?
Vatican City is a state/country in it’s own right. The Pope is treated much like a president from any other country and rightly should be. How many presidents have over a billion people to preside over.
“Primitivism” is rooted in Protestantism (as was the post-VII reductionist assault on the Mass). Theologians who promoted the possibility of universal salvation in contradiction of Scripture (e.g. Rahner and von Balthasar) also got into the act (note the mistranslation of “for many” to “for all” that was only recently corrected). The facts are available for anyone willing to do a bit of research.
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