The Final Week of Jesus' Life, a Chronology

NewTheologicalMovement.blogspot.com ^ | Mach 2012 | Father Ryan Erlenbush

[boatbums]

Interesting how unchurched protestants are so quick to give their “helpful suggestions” to faithful church going Catholics. I’m wondering exactly where in Scripture it tells you to not go to Church, maybe you ‘unchurched’ types could explain it....

I seriously doubt you are just "wondering". And, what gave you the impression I am an "unchurched protestant" in the first place? Assuming again?

Why not explain where in Scripture it tells you you HAVE to go to church in order to be saved?

While you're doing that, explain how only a few days ago you were pitching a fit over not being banned as you claimed you demanded three times, but here you still are posting the same kind of polemical and disruptive comments that add NOTHING to the dialog and provoke the same kind of responses you decry as "anti-Catholic bashing"?

[delchiante]

The Jews start their days at sunset

The world starts their days at midnight

And God starts His Day with Light...

Let there be light.
Then there was dusk/twilight (I think erev in hebrew-evening, sunset, night)
then there was break of day-boqer in hebrew (morning) ( also end of night, coming of day light, breaking through of light)
The first day...

I for one can live with scripture saying day beginning at the first Light...and also saying in places Day (light) ends when the sun goes down..if I lived off the land and had no electricity, I think I would have to be up at the crack of dawn, like they needed to be back then..working in the light, so as to not stumble.

but if one has to know what cycle of time it could belong to-
the light or ‘day’ it follows is the 24 hour day cycle it would belong to according to genesis. And I think there are biblical passages that do have this template also.

The 14th day at evening isn’t the 15th ‘day’... it is still the 14th according to Genesis.. until the break of dawn(morning), then it is the 15th day..the next ‘light’..

That’s how the first week went and I am just following that pattern of light, less light, no light, new light.

He rested on the seventh ‘day’ and blessed it.. an interesting thing is I don’t think it mentioned ‘an evening or a morning’ after the seventh day rest..which I guess could be inferred a couple different ways.

But if others see it another way, whatever way- it is all for us to study and be convinced by scripture.

I like to try to think what was going on back before grocery stores and fast food joints and electricity. I certainly read scripture a little different.. tough t work in the dark back then and maybe a sabbath ‘day’ rest, was just that- the ‘daylight’ ...

[LurkingSince'98]

Interesting how unchurched protestants are so quick to give their “helpful suggestions” to faithful church going Catholics.

I’m wondering exactly where in Scripture it tells you to not go to Church, maybe you ‘unchurched’ types could explain it....

For the Greater Glory of God

[rwa265]

This whole discussion has led me to look at Genesis 1, and ponder what is meant by the first day, the second day, etc.

Genesis 1 begins:

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Gen 1:1-4 NIV)

If it happened that God said, “Let there be light,” and separated the light from the darkness on the first day, wouldn’t it also happen that, after there was evening, and there was morning, the first day would have ended and the second day begun? And then wouldn’t God have created the vault on the second day, and after there was evening, and there was morning, the second day would have ended? And then wouldn’t God have said, “Let the land produce vegetation . . .” on the third day? Is there another way of counting the days that would make sense?

If this is the correct way to count the days in Genesis, then wouldn’t the way to count the days between Christ’s death and Resurrection be as follows:

Christ died on the cross and was laid in the tomb on the first day. And there was evening, and there was morning. The first day ended and the second day began. Christ remained in the tomb the second day. And there was evening, and there was morning. The second day ended and the third day began. At dawn of the third day, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb, and there was a violent earthquake for an angel of the Lord rolled back the stone and sat on it.

If not, what other way of counting days makes sense?

[delchiante]

“Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him.” Mark 15:25

Third ‘hour’ of day, or third ‘hour of the night..

Mark counted starting at sunrise... if started at sunset, savior died in the middle of the ‘night’ and no sun would have been needed to be blocked..

Then we see Mathew, Luke also rendered the ‘hours’ from sunrise..
Mark 15:33; Mathew 27:45; Luke 23:44

Then even had ‘now come’ in mark 15:42; mathew 27:57 after He died..

So the gospels description of His death starts the countng of ‘day’ at sunrise. The night was never referred with hours, but watches..

I don’t know if there was ever scriture where Messiah went into the temple at night, it was always ‘day.. but I am willing to look at one if folks can find it.

And Mark 1:32-35 gives us more confirmation of timing..
The Sabbath ended in the evening- and the people brought him the sick to be healed.
Verse 35 continues and says ‘ in the morning, a great while before day, He rose up..

From the rising of the sun to its going down Yah’s name is to be praised. Psalms 113:3 NKJV
The Mighty One, Elohiym, Yah, has spoken and called the earth from the rising of the sun to its going down. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, Elohiym will shine forth. Psalms 50:1-2 NKJV

For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be great among the Gentiles; in every place incense shall be offered to My name, and a pure offering; for My name shall be great among the nations,” says Yah of hosts. Malachi 1:11 NKJV

See the quail and manna in exodus 16...
The Sabbath began in the ‘day’ because it was collected early each day before the sun would melt it, except on the seventh day. No manna was found..
And they were commanded to consume and not let it any of it stay til the next morning...they ate quail at night and manna in the day.(exodus 16:8)

Now exodus 16:22-23

22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.

23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, TOMORROW is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
They did and it didn’t go rotten like the other days.

Now Verse 25:25 And Moses said, Eat that TODAY; for today is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

Moses ddnt state it as this coming evening... But Tomorrow’s day light is the sabbath and it as confirmed to have come after the evening and morning they just collected the manna and cooked it on the sixth day.
just as Scripture tells us in Genesis.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

If not, what other way of counting days makes sense?

___________

The way Jesus counted days in Luke 13.

[roamer_1]

I have withheld comment upon your posts for some time, attempting to pick my words well.

While I am not a Lunar Sabbatarian (The term by which I have run into your thinking before), I must admit it has some attraction, for the reasons below:

First and foremost, it has always bugged me that there is no way to determine the Sabbath day according to the natural order of things. Every other Holy thing can be calculated by the stars (with the exception of a Jubilee year, which I am not sure of), but the most oft proclaimed and practiced day cannot be derived from the natural order (again, to my knowledge).

If your thinking is correct, then the Sabbath can always be reckoned.

Secondly, it resolves an error in the procession of things regarding an Holy Day: For an example, If one studies the temple proceedings for Passover (Talmud/ Mishnah), one will find the High Priest, after the selected lamb is slain, goes into seclusion deep under the Temple until the Sabbath before First Fruits - At dusk upon the end of that Sabbath day, he comes out of seclusion to accompany the priests out to the Mount of Olives in order to oversee the marking the sheaves to be taken the following morning for the purpose of the First Fruits offering... They are not cut then, but only bundled standing as a mark... He remains sanctified thereafter, returning to the Temple (but no longer underground) and cannot be touched until after the First Fruits offering has been completed - Thereafter, he is no longer sanctified and can go out among the people.

These actions offer a stunning parallel to Yeshua’s actions in the fulfillment!

But, let us say that our FRiends here are right, and that the High Sabbath of Passover coincided with the weekly Sabbath... How then can the priest conduct this ceremony?

If your thinking is correct, and the week is reset by the lunar sequence, then such a thing could never occur.

For now, I follow the Jewish reckoning of days and weeks - But I must admit it does bear consideration.

Magnificent defense, btw. You are easy reading : )

[delchiante]

Thanks roamer..
I am still learning stuff and stumbling my way on this journey ...
this will be a long one. sorry in advance..

I have no problem trying to aid in someone’s consideration. Or trying to defend why I do what I do..

the timing of easter and the feasts is an appropriate time..

And I have no book to sell.. no website to refer people to. No church or pastor to say ‘go see what they are doing’.. this isn’t a denominational issue or a doctrine to be hammered out.. it is either there and biblical or it isn’t.

I for one have no physical church home- I observe His calendar privately.

I do practice it as a flaud gentile who believes fully in the finished work of our Messiah..
I do feel I am being blessed for that obedience, even though I may screw it up while trying to understand such a foreign concept. (When is the new moon, where can it be seen, does it have to be Israel- I finally got my answer this month and I was all over the map before this)

I kept asking and seeking and knocking and He let me know - andthat allowed me to choose one path over the other..

So, in the spirit of helping your consideration and maybe to answer questions that you may have, here I go.

I have no doubt that God’s appointed times are only determined correctly if they are determined by the sun, moon and stars..that’s why they are there.. for signs to us...
I came to understand those new moons, sabbaths and feasts are His appointed times He gave to Israel, so Israel could properly worship Him.. (without a concordance, I would not be able to see the tie ins)

And the signs in the sky are not to be used independently ...
- not just the sun, or just the moon or just the stars..but all together.

Underlying a lot of this for me has to do with His seal(name,title, and governance territory) and where He placed it in His commandment- the sabbath, an appointed time He gave for us to rest and to worship Him.

I think there is a reason for that and I have been trying to see in scripture if there is a specific sabbath day and not a ‘everybody do their own thing’ hodge podge..

Israel was taught this calendar..and for whatever reason, it was lost/abandoned. maybe because of threat of persecution...

He gave us, through Israel and her prophets, the written oracles, prophecy for all ages and, of course, Our messiah..

I believe that the calendar template I am observing of counting from the new moon day is in the written oracles(Torah) , discussed by the prophets, and is even reflected in the living oracles, our Messiah’s life, too.

Now, scripture doesn’t come out and say thou shall have your sabbaths on the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of each of His months, it is subtle.

but one of those (15th) in scripture isnt subtle and is a clear picture of a sabbath and holy convocation for at least the 1st and 7th months already- and a big reference point to start with..
the others are brought about by counting from that 15th..

We know that any discussion of days 8-31 is talking about a monthly numbered day and not a weekly day..

But days 1-7 can mean different things in scripture and this can trip us up.
7th day could mean the seventh day sabbath, the seventh day of the month or a count of days or period of time, like for a battle- the seven day battle of Jericho.

I use Jericho because it is one that is evidence that really put His calendar in sharp contrast to the worlds timekeeping (I did go to another source outside of the bible for this verification-the book of jasher)

Now, the written oracles..

We know the 15th day on the 1st and 7th months are Sabbaths and holy convocations.

Could I find any other days in scripture called a Sabbath?
Yup, exodus 16:23 (before the ten commandments in exodus 20)..

In the 2nd month after the original passover, Israel came to the wilderness of sin ( exodus 16) . Scripture says it was the 15th day of the second month specifically.
The whole congregation ‘murmured’ against moses and Aaron. (Sounded to me they were not traveling that day, just all of them sitting around complaining on the 15th)

This is when our heavenly Father instituted the quail and manna and the instructions of the six day gathering- this by scripture timing that I can see is still the 15th day)

Then scripture says that evening (after the 15th day), quail came and the next morning, manna showed up.. so by the end of the next day, the 16th day, they had quail and manna in their bellies..

If my premise is the 15th day is a sabbath, Heavenly Father ‘waiting’ until the evening after the 15th was to do work and provide the quail (Exodus 16:13), is good evidence.

They were commanded to work six days and gather the manna.
16th day to the 21st day is 6 days.

Scripture then says that on that sixth day (21st by counting) in exodus 16:23 that ‘tomorrow’ is the sabbath to God.

The next morning, was the sabbath (exodus 16:25).. now it doesn’t say the 22nd.. we just counted it from the reference point we were given in exodus 16:1 (15th)

With this scripture, before we had the 15th day in the 1st or 7th month as a sabbath and holy convocation in Leviticus, Moses and Israel experienced their first ‘sabbath’ on the 22nd day in the second month after the original passover..(exodus 16:25)

By logic, if the 22nd day was a sabbath before Leviticus, seven days later, the 29th, would be another ‘sabbath’ after six days of work of collecting manna.

In exodus 19:1 there is another point reference of a day..
Scripture says it was now the 3rd month after they left Egypt, the Same Day (15th) they came to Sinai.
And I think although there is no reference to Sabbaths here, it is in this timing of the giving of the law where we also see the feasts of shavut and Pentecost in scripture.

Counting from the correct reference points is crucial..
The 15th day was a reference point for the exodus, the second month after exodus and now we see the third month after exodus.

The 15th references are no accident and the central reference point I used.

I haven’t gone further to see if there is a reference of the 15th day in the 4th month after exodus but it would not surprise me..

The 14th and 15th days, if one counts from a new moon (like ezekiel 46 says) are days that would hold really full moons..
If one had to travel by night with no flashlights, a full moon is an ideal alternate.
I don’t think it was an accident Israel was traveling by the fullest moons out of Egypt.

Some think a full moon should begin a month. That would mean Israel traveled in an invisible dark moon period- that is not logical.

We eventually get into leviticus when God gives Moses and Israel their calendar in detail, using the feasts as the reference points.

We know that He said the 15th and the 22nd days are Sabbaths and holy convocations in the feasts months of the 1st and 7th. (Those are not in dispute I hope)

But above, we saw Exodus actually confirms that the 22nd day was also a sabbath in the 2nd month (by counting from the 15th day reference point given to us)..
And then by continuing the counting logic, we saw the 29th day of the 2nd month of the year is also a sabbath.
if it works for 2nd month before the law was given, why not the 1st and 7th months and every month?

The 8th is the toughest to find. But by counting backwards from our reference point of the 15th day that we detailed in the first passover and the following months , 15 minus 7 days is 8..

I stated earlier the Torah, prophets and messiah all pointed to a timekeeping, sometimes under the surface.

The prophets spoke of times and laws that would try to be changed.(it happened)
And the Prophet Ezekiel was given specific template of a calendar for the temple -new moon day, six work days and sabbath day..

If we just read scripture like it’s a daily assignment (guilty), we never ‘see’ what God may be telling us.. or if we think it is just history and not applicable to us, it could be a big eye opener.

And as my studies have progressed, I find literal and not just spiritual clues in the new testament that points us to being able to see God’s calendar in Messiah’s life.

We know all scripture points to Him..

I was trying to go through the laws to see what I could maybe confirm as what occurred our Messiah..
Some are firm and some are only theories of mine..

For one, I find it interesting a circumcision occurs on the 8th Day according to law.
One time Our messiah even mentions circumcision and specifically circumcision on a sabbath..

When I read revelation, and the description of the virgin birth in the sky, it speaks of the virgo constellation.
The moon when the sun is clothing ‘her’ and under her feet is a time of a new moon from my elementary understanding of the stars..

It is a day after ‘the conjunction’ of the moon (hidden moon) when no light of the moon can be seen..
We cant see a hidden moon so obviously the vision says a moon was senw under her feet.

Virgo is the sixth constellation in the order( starting from Aries- the Ram- there is more to this but not today)

If I can see that scripture gives me a clue to Him being born in the 6th month (not during the 7th or those feasts like so many believe), how could he be born at an appointed time?

a new moon is an appointed time in scripture. It isn’t a sabbath, or a work day.. more like our Thanksgiving (without the stores being open) once a month. But it is appointed.

Well, could I square tabernacled with us and what else in His life may be hidden in scripture that may confirm God’s timekeeping?

Our messiah, according to law, would then have been circumcised as a little boy on the 8th day after His birth...
the 8th day from a new moon in ezekiel is a Sabbath Day, even if we start with the 15th and counted back..

So being born on a new moon was an appointed time. if I follow that, He was circumsized on the 8th day after, also an appointed day- the Sabbath..
8 days old and our Messiah has hit two appointed times already!

The next is trying to see Him in the 15th- that one is easy!

The 15th day of the first month is the one rock solid reference point that allows for all the counting to work. It is a day referenced by number in exodus..
And so, trying to find important events for our Messiah, we have the greatest on the 15th day of the first month, He obeyed His Heavenly Father, even in death, and ‘rested’ in the tomb..

The 22nd..
We know He attended the feast of tabernacles and stood up on the last great day of the feast, the 22nd day according to the count from the 15th sabbath, and gave His cry for those who thirst to come after Him..

The 22nd day was a holy convocation and no servile work was done..

I am trying to see if the 29th sabbath day had any clues in scripture for messiah and cant find it yet..(but it may not be necessary!

Going back, to His birth-
If our messiah was in fact born on the 6th month at the new moon, and circumcised on the 8th day of the month (the sabbath on God’s calendar), the next stuff was really mind blowing!

It meant, according to law, Miriam (Mary) was unclean for 40 days.

There would be seven days and then another 33 days of purification (for a boy birth) in scripture.
40 days later, Messiah and every boy was to be dedicated in the Temple.
.
40 days after the new moon of the 6th moon just happens to be the 10th day of the 7th month- Day of Atonement!

So even though He wasn’t born on Tabernacles with my theory/ understanding:
1.He was born on a new moon, an appointed time for Israel in scripture
2. He was circumcised on the 8th day of the month, which with God’s calendar is the first weekly sabbath - an appointed day.
3. He was dedicated to the temple 40 days after His mother’s purification. That day if we count it out is the Day of Atonement- certainly an appointed day.
4. He was baptized on his 30th birthday (new moon day) and then spent 40 days and 40 nights fasting- which then concludes with the day of atonement.. (my theory- but it makes the 40 days/nights after his baptism tie both to His birth and atonement- Jews do have a 40 days of awe)
5. He rested in the tomb on the 15th day, a high sabbath- even in death he observed the sabbath..an appointed time certainly..

Could this maybe explain what the 10th day of the 7th month was meant to shadow- that a little 40 day old baby messiah was going to be dedicated in the temple on that day. How many Jews wonder why the 10th? Or why the 8th for circumcision?

Scripture does give us a clue with Our Messiah’s dedication- like a priestess praying day and night, when he was dedicated. (Only temple was open day and night was atonement)

Can I prove it? Nope. Can I see it in scripture ? Yup. We can only prove the 15th day exclusively and can see the shadows for the others..

I think they are intriguing and could explain some old testament rules and laws that don’t make sense to us or Israel, but Israel obeyed anyway.

And my learning continues..

Is it easier to say every month in God’s calendar perfectly lines up each month with scripture with no suspension rules, no postponements of feasts because the Sabbaths and the feasts and the new moons are always the same appointed times, each month?

Or is it easier to calculate suspension rules and postponements because the appointed feast days will interfere with man’s sabbath day?

I am passionate about this because I think His appointed times are important and were given to Israel to tell the rest of us what is proper worship.. and what isn’t..

I am struggling with this because as I stated earlier the seal of God is in the sabbath commandment..

And if I believe that Satan counterfeits, why would the calendar be any different?

If God has a spritiual seal and He placed it in the sabbath commandment, where would Satan’s spiritual mark be as a counterfeiter- any other day?
Are we that deceived ?

After understanding as best I can His calendar principles in scripture, I don’t read scripture as a daily ‘to do’ list anymore..

I practice His calendar as best I can,’observing what I think scripture gives us..
And two years ago, I would have thought ‘I’ was nuts for what I see now..

It is so counter culture and so against what the world does... and I don’t think it’a a new thing or a fad and I really would be shocked to see churches and people en masse observing it..

God’s calendar isn’t for CEOs of big international corporations, or politicians, or wall street bankers with their work days, or celebrities and their movie shooting schedules, or professional athletes, or pastors/preachers/priests/ tied into the liturgical calendars or big churches, or students going to public, private or parochial schools from kindergarten to college.. His calendar is also a strain on people without flexible work schedules or people who dont have lots of vacation or paid time off to spend on taking ‘business days off’ if a sabbath falls on a Tuesday, etc.

People who could observe His calendar?
The self employed, the unemployed, the retired, the homeless (not joking), homeschoolers, people with flexible work schedules..pastors/preachers not tied to a liturgical calendar or big church hierarchy.

These are not exhaustive lists but we could find ourselves in one of those two at points in our lives.

All of us, if this calendar gets revealed to individuals like it did me, have choices( I didn’t search it out- I was trying to make sense of three days and three nights!)..

Again I would be shocked to hear of a congregation throwing away the worlds timekeeping and observing what I believe is in scripture, albeit under the surface.. there are challenges and hardships and maybe even persecutions if one in f that first or even the second list, could face for observing His calendar.

And I understand people saying ‘hogwash’ to all of it.. ‘we are saved by grace anyways now and He knows my heart’-

It is a logical answer to anything we see in scripture that could alter our lives and alter our worship of Him. That is why there already are so many denominations!

He does give us freedom and liberty that the world cannot..and I think there is evidence He gives us timekeeping the world cannot.

I hope people will look., consider.. poke holes.say hogwash. . Say whatever.

Asking, seeking and knocking and proving, and defending what we believe in, can only help us grow in our own faith walks or help us correct errors that we believe..

Roamer, hope you haven’t fallen asleep reading this!

Our finite minds trying to explain our infinite Heavenly Father’s ways and thoughts is sometimes an exercise in futility!

And I may be absolutely off my rocker and even doing it completely wrong!

His mercy and grace, and our need for it, is an eternal truth I hope everyone can agree on..

Me and my works are filthy rags and only the finished work of my Messiah is accepted as the worthy substitute.

I am forgiven. And now, I am just trying to go and sin no more and be as salty and bright as I can be for Him.

May He bless you more than He has me...

Apologies again for the long post...

[delchiante]

Roamer,

One goof I did on the 22nd day sabbath with relation to feast of tabernacles description after the reading this back through today-

I didn’t elaborate on the 22nd like I thought I had.

The 21st is the last day of the feasts and on the last day of tabernales, Messiah stood up and gave His cry
It should have said 21 in my poat, not the 22nd.
Sorry if I screwed you up.

7 days of the feast, then the next day(22nd), if that portion of scripture is chronological, should have mention of sabbath.

And I believe it does.

15th day- sabbath, 1st day of tabernacles-messiah waits to join them.
Middle of feast He arrives.
21st day - last day of feast - His cry for those who thirst...
22nd day-’sabbath’- He heals the blind man ‘on the sabbath’ with His clay.

Some of this sequence is in John 9 certainly because I recall John 9:3 being the verse ‘work of God is made manifest in him’ and later the ‘I was blind, but now I see’...
Sorry again!

[roamer_1]

Well, foremost delchiante, I admire your determination and study - I know of but a handful of Christians of any stripe that are willing to perform such a study as this. Whether I might disagree or not, I do know the zealousness that drives such a work, having to run constantly to the contrary of every_thing taught by men in order to find the truth. It is written that YHWH rewards those who seek him diligently.

And I also know what it is like to worship and practice alone - The road less traveled comes with loneliness and persecution. It is hard to do at all, and extremely hard to sustain.

But you and I are not that far off - As it concerns the moedim, we agree already - Since they are moon-based, they would not change in your way or mine.

It is the resetting of the week/day that is in contention - And in that, I remain in disagreement. It is my nature to look not at the proofs, but rather at the errata, as a thousand proofs are destroyed by a single error - What cannot be, cannot be.

Off-hand, if you are correct, then you are left with the same problem at Passover as the Catlicks - Three days and three nights cannot be present from Preparation Day to First Fruits, because the Passover feast and the first day of Unleavened Bread would occur coexistent with the Full Moon Sabbath of the 15th. Ergo a 6th day (Friday) crucifixion, a Sabbath rest (Saturday), and a resurrection some time before the (Sunday) morning sacrifice. That is necessarily a serious problem, as the primary proof by which Yeshua declares he is Messiah must be ignored.

And incidentally, my initial remarks wrt the High Priest's Temple functions could not happen accordingly either (I was wrong in that - the shadow-picture would be lost).

Also, I am loathe to change the days - ALL of the calendars are unsure... All have been corrupted. But the days (and therefore the weeks) remain. If they cannot be counted, then ALL proofs based upon history are brought into question. Now, I know the days, the physical evenings and mornings are still there, But A LOT of things can be counted by counting Sabbaths (weeks), which also coincide with Jubilees (which are an expansion of 'weeks' in calculating years) - I am not sure how your approach effects those things (Daniel's prophecy of weeks comes to mind) - It is a caution.

But, I cannot make that a deal-killer, because only truth is truth, as it turns out - And it does make for an interesting exercise, and something I will retain for comparative studies. As I said, I am interested in it because it allows one to determine Sabbath days at any given time. I think that YHWH would have a way to make that evident.

And it MATTERS. I live in Montana, and I have had more than one occasion wherein I was in the backwoods for an extended period, and I can tell you that one can very easily forget which day it is once one is unplugged for an extended time. I can liken that to end-times events - If SHTF, I know that I can survive by walking off into the forest, for any amount of time - But the keeping of time will be very problematic.

[delchiante]

It is a narrower path each day!
Study, even, if we fall flat on our faces, to show ourselves approved, yes!

And Montana would be a very nice place to hold up!

and as long as we can look up and know our redemption draws neigh, we can handle what comes..

I fought with three days and three nights for a very long time until I realized it wasn’t literal (it couldn’t be after studying the feasts), but a parable..

That parable was a deep one with both spiritual and literal parallels.

There was obviously the literal. story of Jonah,but the prayer struck me in Jonah.

And without seeing the Hebrew words, I would have just passed over it..but with a little concordance, I was able to see a parallel to ‘where’ Messiah was preparing to go..

-being cast out from Heavenly Father’s eyes( don’t have the exact verse)
-being cast into the ‘heart’ of the seas(some translations say midst or middle butnita is the same definition).
It wasn’t talking about a middle, but the mind, inner person, seed of emotion and thought- same word used by Messiah for heart of the earth- not the middle at all- a spiritual void, not a physical space)

-feeling forsaken, in a deep hole with no hope..

And the ‘heart’ word used in Genesis 6 when he mentions the wickendess was great in the ‘earth’ and his ‘heart’ was evil continually, has the same definition even though it is a slightly different word.
Never a literal thing or place..

It does say Jonah was literally three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, but he was three days and three nights ‘spiritually’ separated and away from God too.. and that prayer shows it..

As I type, I am searching for a verse...
Found it,
Messiah mentions in John 8.
Starting in verse 26.

He is speaking about being sent by His Heavenly Father. Verse 29 was the one I focus on
29. And He that sent Me is WITH ME. HE HAS NOT LEFT ME ALONE; for I do always the things that are pleasing to him.

He supped with His disciples (13th)
That was the night he was betrayed and became sin- righteousness left Him and He was for the first time ever, ‘left alone’ by His Heavenly Father and literally and spiritually ‘swallowed up’ by man (who’s hearts/thoughts are evil continuously).

The man who knew no sin, was no longer in the Heavenly Father’s loving hands and protection and that was so for three days and three nights.
That 13th night He was captured, beaten, etc
The 14th day, He was killed. Layed in tomb.
The 15th day and night, laid in the tomb.
16th day, out of the tomb-( His body saw no corruption- just as the prayer in Jonah mentions - the word for ‘pit’ is means corruption..
Maybe in a tighter layout..
Night 1- 13th
Day 1/night 2- 14th- prep and passover- slain, placed in tomb.
Day 2/night 3- 15th- feast unleavened bread- in tomb
Day3- 16 .. raised - first fruits..- out of the tomb
Three days and three nights in the ‘heart’ of the earth,which is place of sin continuously.

I readily admit I once thought He literally had to be in the tomb for three days and three nights and by gosh, I was going to figure it out- WHOOPs

The parable was His way of talking to us... I think I ‘get’ this one now..

Like Jonah, for three days and three nights literal, He was cast out before His Heavenly Father so He could be our substitute. But not in the tomb.. He was cast out from His Heavenly Father a full day before He was ever in then tomb.
And we are separated from our Heavenly Father without Him..

And He is never to be separated from His heavenly Father ever again.. And neither do we have to be..
It is finished!

We know Jonah’s message was accepted by Ninevah and they repented and was saved.

And we know what happened to Jerusalem when a greater than Jonah came.

The ‘sign of Jonah’ was in part the physical destruction of jerusalam in 70 AD, 40 years after Messiah came and gave the same message Jonah gave to Ninevah- repent and believe..

It took me awhile to get over the literal three and three , but I am now not at all concerned about Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, death burial, tomb.
I actually think the churches got this one right with the ‘on the third day’ and boy didn’t try to find it wrong or faulty!

I just disagree on their ‘days’ of the week now :)