Posted on 04/15/2014 3:53:45 PM PDT by Salvation
Sorry, but I wasn't around to give you your answer - But the answer you got from Errant is one with which I concur:
Yeshua died Wednesday afternoon, was buried at dusk, and arose at dusk upon the following Sabbath.
You should read just a touch before that where he likens the Kingdom of YHWH to a bit of leaven in three measures of flour - Not a half-measure, a measure, and a tiny bit more.... Three full measures.
today - Friday - day one - Jesus Crucified, Dies and is buried. Tomorrow - Sabbath - day two - Jesus rests in the grave The Third Day - Sunday - day three - Jesus rises from the dead.
Three days and three nights IN THE BELLY OF THE EARTH.
Try again.
I agree. There is no other way that Jesus' OWN foretelling of his death, burial and resurrection can fit in the timeline. To insist that He died and was buried on "Good Friday" and raised early Sunday morning may sound like three days, but certainly not three days and three nights that Jesus specifically said he would be in the "heart of the earth". It is too bad that some people are so driven to defend something their church says that they throw logic AND God-revealed Scripture out the door.
Great post. It has become obvious to me that Satan is god of this world in ways I cannot imagine.
Here is an explanation of the 13th month by the Rood fella
http://aroodawakening.tv/the-month-of-the-aviv/
http://www.karaite-korner.org/abib.shtml
http://www.nazareneisrael.org/aviv-barley-basics/
These are better links and the second one answers your questions about farming. I did not know untill I read the link that barley is a winter crop that comes ripe in spring
1 Cor 15:1-5
Now i would remind you brethern, in what terms i preached to the THE GOSPEL, which you received , in which you stand, by which YOU ARE SAVED, IF you hold fast to it, unless you believed in vain. For i delivered to you as of FIRST IMPORTANCE, which i also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was RAISED ON THE THIRD DAY, in accordance to the scriptures and that he appeared to Cephas then to the twelve.
Why does this matter? Paul says it’s a Gospel issue, Jesus had to rise ON THE THIRD DAY. The Scriptures over and over tell us Jesus would rise ON THE THIRD DAY - Luke 9:22, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 17:23, Matthew 20:19, Mark 9:31, Mark 10:34, Luke 18:33 and John 2:19.
If Jesus rose on the 4th or 5th day, he would be a false prophet and we would all still be dead in our sins.
I start this post since there were some comments earlier in thread about “what’s the big deal”, you say tomato, i sat tomateo, who cares?
Now i will specifically address Errant and his answer to my question to those denying what Christians have believed for 2,000 years of Jesus dying on what has become known as Good Friday and rising early Sunday morning.
First let me congratulate Errant for answering my question of what day did Jesus die and what day did he rise. Roamer seems to concur with Errant, but Errant had the courage of his convictions to actually state what he believes. some talk a good game, but pinning them down on specifics is like trying to nail down jello.
here is what Errant answered:
14th of Aviv - Jesus died and is buried ( wed ) (1)
15th of Aviv - sabbath ( thurs ) (2)
16th of Aviv - ( fri ) (3)
17th of Aviv - 7th day sabbath (4) Jesus Rises
18TH OF Aviv - 1st day of week (5) feast of first fruits
19th of Aviv - mon (6)
20th of Aviv - tues (7)
21st of Aviv - wed (8)
you will notice i extended the days and it will be clear shortly why i did that. i track the days by the Hebrew calandar days, the corresponding days of our week and i numbered them as well for easy reference.
my challenge was that whatever answer given to when Jesus died and was risen HAD TO AGREE WITH THE SCRIPTURES, and we can see immediately that Errant’s answer doesn’t agree with the Scriptures as follows:
1. Errant has Jesus rising on the 4th day, I provided nine different verses telling us Jesus had to rise ON THE THIRD DAY.
We must count days as the Scriptures do, not as we like or what method will fit our pet theory. Exodus 19:10-11, Luke 13:32 and Acts 10:1-30 all show us when counting days:
today is day one
tomorrow is day two
the day after tomorrow is day three
so if Jesus died on the 14th of aviv, he would have had to rise on the 16th of aviv for the third day prophecy to be true.
2. Errant has Jesus rising on the 7th day sabbath. Luke 24:21 specifically says the first day of the week ( sunday ) was THE THIRD DAY since Jesus died, therfore we know Jesus rose on the first day of the week. The first day of the week was also the feast of first fruits and Paul tells us in 1 Cor 15:20 “but in fact Jesus has been risen from the dead, the FIRST FRUITS of those who have fallen asleep.
3. Errant assumes there were two sabbath days that week, but all four Gospels only indicate one sabbath day. the feast of unleavened bread fell on the 7th day sabbath. there is only ONE day of preparation mentioned in all four gospels, there is only ONE sabbath day mentioned in all four gospels and it says the women rested ONE day, not two.
4. God has laid down a principal in Scripture, that any fact MUST be attested to by two or three witnesses. see Deuteronomy 19:15, Matthew 18:16 and 2 Cor 13:1. Jesus loudly proclaimed that he would rise ON THE THIRD DAY. If Errant is correct and Jesus rose on the 7th day sabbath, WHERE ARE THE WITNESSES FOR THIS DAY? No one saw Jesus on the 7th day sabbath, therefore this fact can not be established according to the Scriptural test of every fact being established by two or three witnesses. But, of course He rose on the first day of the week, and there were many more than two witnesses for that day.
5. back to counting days, suppose a baby boy was born on the 14th day of aviv at 3:00pm, on what day would he be circumcised on? we know Genesis 17:12 says it MUST occur on the eighth day, which would be the 21st of aviv. check this out from any Jewish rabbi or website, a baby born on a wed is circumcised on the following wed, the 8th day. if the 21st day of aviv is the 8th day, the 17th of aviv is the 4th day, which we know can not be the day Jesus rose.
but, but, i can hear the cries of what about Matthew 12:40 and the “three days and three nights”. Jesus absolutely was in the heart of the earth three days and three nights, the historical and orthodox Christian Faith has always affirmed this. the question is - what does the expression “three days and three nights” mean? does it mean 72 hours as some 21st century americans believe? what would this expression mean to a first century Jew? the answer is, it means simply three days. you see, to a first century Jew, any part of a day was the same as a whole 24 hour day. it is an idiomatic expression. so Jesus was in the heart of the earth three days and three nights, Friday, Saturday and Sunday - simply three days.
we have to ask ourselves, why is there this attack on what Christians have believed from the time of the Apostles?
i think several reasons can be given:
Satan wants to plant seeds of doubt on what the Church teaches.
Satan wants to plant seeds of doubt on the Scriptures.
the Muslims, Mormons, non-trinitarian cults, sabbath keepers, false prophets like rood all have a stake in saying Christians are stupid and Constantine paganized the Church so listen to our “new” understanding of the Scriptures.
there is after all ONLY ONE FAITH and that faith teaches Jesus died on the 6th day of the week, what we in the west call Friday and ROSE ON THE THIRD DAY, the first day of the week, on the feast of first fruits or what we call Sunday.
Thank-you for making my day and Easter weekend. God Bless.
I had not heard anything called the Chandler Wobble . I was still on the nursery school level of the stars moving in our sky compared to where they used to be...
I didnt even think of a wobble ushering in earthquakes and volcanic activity... from a quick look see, I saw one person noted that weather extremes seem to have picked up since 2006 because the chandler wobble slowed down slightly, but they are noting the southern hemisphere are bearing the brunt of it?
The writer noted harsher winters regardless of what hemisphere we live in..
I did see an ice age reference..
But I did see a chart on one site where we may have been in a cycle with longer springs, summers and falls and shorter winters compared to what they had 5000 years ago..
Simply amazing how ‘brilliant’ people were before computers and um, smart phones! It seems like their theories are being confirmed as our technology catches up...
Some of the predictions reads like Revelation...which shouldn’t surprise us...
The education continues...thanks!
3. Errant assumes there were two sabbath days that week, but all four Gospels only indicate one sabbath day. the feast of unleavened bread fell on the 7th day sabbath. there is only ONE day of preparation mentioned in all four gospels, there is only ONE sabbath day mentioned in all four gospels and it says the women rested ONE day, not two.
Please list the scriptures from the four Gospels you feel supports your claim that there was only one Sabbath that week.
The ice age was the direct result of the hot oceans that remained after the Genesis flood. Warm water generates high precipitation, and the warmer the water, the higher the evaporation rises into the upper atmosphere, resulting in more cold storms reaching into the temperate zones.
James Nienhuis has written considerably on this.
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It all goes back to what you said in your post above, “we were told the end from the beginning that we may know there is a God”. That’s one of the reasons why it’s so important that we keep HIS days/seasons correctly - that we will see the fulfillment of that promise each time it occurs.
One flaw-
‘first fruits’, the 16th day of the month and the day the Messiah was raised according to scripture, was not a Sunsday this year, but a Gregorian Wodensday this month (April 16th)
This is one time the world’s calendar of April meshed with God’s calendar month and it doesn’t happen a lot.
Now the Jews may or may not have celebrated passover correctly, but the numbered days were accurate.
So it wasnt a ‘ Sunsday’.and it isn’t a Sunsday every year. ..the sunsday coming up this year is the 20th day of the month, not the 16th as scripture says and you detail.
Just more traditions from men accepting the false premise of Satan’s timekeeping instead of the commandments.
Us ‘Christians’ have a lot of apologizing to do for taking the Israel and Torah (like the feasts) out of the Messiah of Israel and replacing Him with doctrines and traditions of men of greco roman latin lineage..
I am apologizing to any Jew who reads this,. If you know a Jew, tell them I am sorry... I suggest others find the Jews in your circle and apologize.. us christians are the main cause they don’t see the Messiah of Israel in the greco roman latinized churches of ‘Christianity’...
Foreign holy days. Foreign sabbaths. foreign name..the scripture warns them not to have anything to do with foreigners..
And we wonder how Jews can’t see Him?
How does one ever see Him through our meddling? A miracle...
We ought to be ashamed...
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Jesus was buried on the same day as he died. He had to be buried the same day or else Joseph and Nicodemus would have violated the Sabbath if they buried him after sunset. John 19:38-42 makes this clear, he was hastily buried so as to avoid violating the Sabbath.
so if Jesus died on the 14th of Aviv, that is day one. you can’t ignore the day he died when counting days, that has to be your starting point.
verses from the Gospels supporting one sabbath:
Matthew 28:1
Mark 15:42
Luke 23:54-56
John 19:31
i would ask for verses supporting two sabbaths that week, but since i know there aren’t any, i won’t bother.
the feast of first fruits always falls on the first day of the week after the passover sabbath. ALWAYS.
Please list any witnesses who saw Jesus alive on the 17th of aviv.
And the first day of the week was April 16th, Wodensday.. the 15th was the Sabbath..
Next sabbath will be the 22nd, which is Tiw’s day..
The 22nd, just like it was for Moses and Israel in exodus 16:23.
Living in the northeast like I do now, there is always an ice age for six months....then six months of road construction.
:)
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