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1 posted on 04/14/2014 2:40:46 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/14/2014 2:41:04 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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No, he most definitely should have done exactly what he did.

Had he not done everything as he did, our savior would not have fulfilled the Passover, and we would be out of luck.
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5 posted on 04/14/2014 2:45:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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Mark and Luke were much later (time of Paul) than Matthew, one of his disciples..


6 posted on 04/14/2014 2:46:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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Men should always listen to their wives. ;)


7 posted on 04/14/2014 2:47:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer; left that other site
so. pontius pilate listens to his wife, Jesus is not crucified, and then there is NO redemption or salvation for anyone......

thank the Lord that His Word was fulfilled and the blood of Jesus atoned for man's sin and we can repent and be restored to a relationship with God the Father and be free from sin and death to have eternal life with Him.

8 posted on 04/14/2014 2:49:05 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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I just finished reading “Characters of the Passion” by Fulton J. Sheen.

He talks about Claudia, the only Roman woman to mentioned in Scripture.

Indeed as the text says: **Pilate’s wife is a Roman matron of the upper class**

Sheen’s book compared her with Herodias, and Claudia came out winners. Short and great read.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 2:50:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Since this isn't a caucus thread, I'll point out there is quite a bit of error contained in this article. It looks like something you might find from any liberal mainline protestant 'scholar'.

First, it suggests at human authors of the scriptures, rather than it being the work of the Holy Spirit. "Did Luke and Mark also come across this verse but decide not to include it, not seeing its purpose?" "St Matthew brings Pilate’s wife on stage for one verse only, for a very simple reason, because he needs her for one verse only". The scriptures are THE word of God. Turn from false teachers who treat it as a human construct.

Pilate was used by God. His decision was not wrong. The author would seem to prefer a result that would strip us of the work of Christ on our behalf, and consign us to hell. " But Pilate does not listen, and comes to the wrong judgement"

13 posted on 04/14/2014 2:58:28 PM PDT by PAR35
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What if Pilate had done something that wasn’t written in the script and shipped Jesus off to, say, Alexandria, which had a large Jewish community? Somehow, I believe prophecy would still have found a way to be fulfilled.


14 posted on 04/14/2014 3:04:02 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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but in the time of the evangelists the novel was unknown,

No, it was not.

Rome had a major "pulp fiction" industry going that kept going until they lost control of Egypt and the supply of cheap paper vanished.

Just a nit-pick I know but the early Romans are kind of a hobby of mine.

15 posted on 04/14/2014 3:06:28 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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It is believed that Matthew was written for a Jewish audience. In Jewish law, a woman could not testify and testimony could only be made for what one witnessed. Further, the witness was required to be present.

To a Jew, the idea that her plea came from a woman, was sent by messenger and was based on a dream emphasized in a very dramatic way that the proceeding was void of any rational process.


27 posted on 04/14/2014 5:17:55 PM PDT by Raycpa
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Julius Caesar’s wife Portia had a similar experience, dreaming that her husband would be assassinated and begging him not to go to the Senate on the Ides of March.

I wonder how many other stories there are of upper class Roman women having prophetic dreams. Probably as many stories of them as there were lower class women, but only the upper class were deemed worthy of being recorded. Publishing wasn’t cheap back in the day.


29 posted on 04/14/2014 6:02:05 PM PDT by angryoldfatman
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And Judas should not have betrayed Him?

The way Jesus’ trial and execution went down were, and not at all coincidentally, just the way it was prophesied. Everything happened exactly how God knew it would, and He makes all things work together for those who love Him.

What would have changed had Pilate acted differently? What could he have done differently?


31 posted on 04/14/2014 6:20:21 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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Did Luke and Mark also come across this verse but decide not to include it, not seeing its purpose

Decided to stop reading at this point.

35 posted on 04/14/2014 7:31:50 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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Satan would have loved nothing more than to prevent the redemption of mankind.

This kind of tripe is nonsense. It’s a waste of time speculating on *what if’s* of something that had to be done for salvation to come to mankind, and was a done deal almost 2,000 years ago.


44 posted on 04/15/2014 9:33:30 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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