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Surpassing Sola Scriptura
Answering Protestants ^ | 31 March 2014 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 03/31/2014 5:45:28 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

“[The Church] does not, in the conventional phrase, believe what the Bible says, for the simple reason that the Bible does not say anything. You cannot put a book in the witness-box and ask it what it really means.” – G. K. Chesterton

Sola Scriptura is the Protestant doctrine that the Bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness. Under it, only doctrines that are found directly within the Bible or are drawn indirectly from it by simple reasoning are allowed. (See material vs. formal sufficiency & perspicuity.)

2 Timothy 3:16-17 is the primary passage used to defend this view, which always boggles my mind. Perhaps I need spectacles, but I do not see an “Only” at the beginning of this verse. The Church teaches (as Scripture teaches) that all Scripture is valuable. She does not, however, turn it into an idol.

Some Protestants also claim to honor other authorities, like the Church – but do they really? In a short written debate with a Protestant professor, he said, “Sola Scriptura does not even claim that there is no other authority besides the Bible; it maintains that the Bible is alone (sola) as the only infallible authority.” Some apologists concede this position, but I see no reason to, and so I responded, “The practical effect [of Sola Scriptura] is that it denies the authoritativeness of any other authority – making that authority not an authority at all.” The professor quickly changed the topic.

Sacred Tradition (capital ‘T’) is, obviously, a stumbling block for many, but it is perfectly reasonable. Not everything of relevance could fit within the Bible (John 20:30-31, John 21:25). This is evidenced by the elaborations of the Church Fathers, as well as the decrees of the Councils. And much of this has been written and can therefore even qualify as (extra canon) Scripture! Anyway, all Scripture must be interpreted “according to the spiritual meaning which the Spirit grants to the Church” (Origen).

Pope Francis noted, “Sacred Scripture is the written testimony of the divine Word, the canonical memory that attests to the event of Revelation. However, the Word of God precedes the Bible and surpasses it. That is why the center of our faith isn’t just a book, but a salvation history and above all a person, Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh.” (cf. CCC #108). All teaching is valuable – God is not limited to a book compiled by His Bride. On this point, the Bible is like a wedding album shared by two spouses: the husband, typically, arranges and provides for everything, while his wife fills in the details – but still, at the end of the day, it does not sum up their whole marriage.

Another great blow to Sola Scriptura is that the Bible did not put itself together, and it does not list the books that belong within it. It took the Jews thousands of years to decide on the Tanakh (their canon) and, even then, “Hellenistic” Jews preferred the Septuagint! The only reason that we know which books comprise the Testaments is that the Church has informed us. If the Church, as Her own entity, is not infallible on such doctrine, then the Bible cannot be trusted.

Many Protestants also allude that absolute truth can only be found within the Bible. If I throw an apple up into the air, it will fall. Where is that in the Bible? Of course, one could quickly retort with the idea that the Bible only necessarily contains the absolute moral truth necessary for salvation. But many Protestants do not actually believe that – just look at the large crowds of literal creationists! To be clear, the Bible is not guaranteed to be totally historically or scientifically inerrant in a literal sense. “Inerrancy extends to what the biblical writers intend to teach, not necessarily to what they assume or presuppose or what isn’t integral to what they assert.” [Catholic Answers] And if a Protestant would like to say otherwise, he must prove his position from the Bible – which he cannot do, at least not to any definite degree. Even natural law, which exists outside of the Bible, does not encompass such. Leaders like Ken Ham could be defeated with these points.

I just cannot help but despise this great heresy of Sola Scriptura, the implication of which is that the Bride of Christ does not know Her Husband.

I love the Second Vatican Council’s statement on all of this: “[T]he task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.” (Dei Verbum)

Let us put it this way: only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving “Romeo and Juliet” and hating Shakespeare’s explanation of it.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; christian; god; jesus
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To: Elsie

The topic isn’t salvation - the topic is bible alone.


321 posted on 04/01/2014 9:26:04 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: BipolarBob

That is with out a doubt the stupidest analogy I have every heard. I will pray for you.


322 posted on 04/01/2014 9:27:34 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

I was a protestant for quite a while. It was reading the Bible that brought me back to the Catholic Church. I will pray that you have ears to listen and eyes to see.


323 posted on 04/01/2014 9:28:37 AM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga

It wasn’t an analogy.


324 posted on 04/01/2014 9:32:40 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Elsie

Are you sure you are not Quix in disguise?! :)


325 posted on 04/01/2014 9:42:53 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: verga

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
—I John 2:19


327 posted on 04/01/2014 9:47:20 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: editor-surveyor

“But all of those “gifts” were put in writing.”

Nonsense.

“Yeshua told us not to accept any oral “traditions.”

Nonsense.


328 posted on 04/01/2014 9:48:21 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: philly-d-kidder; DManA; Iscool; daniel1212
I always wonder of the 35,000 Protestant sects which one is correct..they all can’t interpret the Bible Correctly.

At 10am yesterday morning we were hearing that there were 41,000. How did we somehow managed to lose 6,000 of them so quickly? Can you tell us which of the 3,000 to 8,000 Catholic sects is correct? We know that they all can't interpret the Bible correctly, can they? At least 2,999 to 7,999 of them must be rejecting Christ's words!

329 posted on 04/01/2014 9:53:31 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: verga

I’ve been thinking about your claim to have been a Protestant. You know no one can claim salvation by being Protestant or Baptist or Methodist or any other such label. Moreover, we know there are many who sit in the pews who are unregenerate. And sadly there are many unregenerated men who stand behind pulpits and preach, too.

Claiming to have been a Protestant says nothing. There are Presbyterians down the street with a female pastor with whom I could not find agreement as to the time of day. There are whole congregations of lost Protestants. There are Protestant church buildings where the true gospel has not been preached in a hundred years. If one of God’s men tried to preach the truth they would condemn it as blasphemy and wouldn’t hear it.

By God’s grace I was never ensnared in the Roman religion, but I was once lost. I know what it is to be pulled from my pit of sin and made alive in Christ. It wasn’t my doing, He radically changed me. I know the way to God isn’t through Rome, it’s in Christ.

I know of someone who was not only ensnared in Romanism, he was a Dominican priest for decades. The first time I heard him speak he told of his time studying in Rome, about the time of Vatican II. But then God saw fit to reveal Himself to this man through His Word and gloriously saved him. He understands the Roman religion in a way I never will. He also knows Christ and the true gospel of Christ. So if you really want the truth, pray for God to show you the truth and listen to what this man has to say.

The Testimony of a Former Priest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvID3lRyYIc&feature=relmfu

He isn’t the only Catholic who has been saved by the mercy and free grace of God.

From Knight of Columbus to Soldier in Christ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsDQJF5pHxI

A Former Catholic Medical Nun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOR3JuQuvqo&list=PLE1CB721E3CA65D76&index=69&feature=plpp_video

With a Love for Catholics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7HlJHEQ9uU

A Conversation Between Two Former Priests
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXxwAtNPvxA&feature=related


330 posted on 04/01/2014 10:35:39 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: dsc
He gives us a wealth of things to comfort us and aid in our salvation.


 
 
 
 

 
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.


John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?
 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."


1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.


James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
 

 
 
 

332 posted on 04/01/2014 10:37:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
We since you claim it went into apostasy, the burden of proof is on you.

Thank GOD! that Catholics do not have to prove anything; for what THEY say is Absolute Truth!

334 posted on 04/01/2014 10:39:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: .45 Long Colt
... I just cannot imagine how they went from the strong Christian faith of our great grandparents to such quackery.

It's a delusion and a deception.


It happens all the time to those who somehow are convinced that the BIBLE is not enough...

335 posted on 04/01/2014 10:40:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry
What a peculiar response.

Forrest Gump explained it quite well.

336 posted on 04/01/2014 10:41:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well; his MOMMA anyway...


337 posted on 04/01/2014 10:41:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stonehouse01

You got me!

April Fool!


338 posted on 04/01/2014 10:42:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
That is with out a doubt the stupidest analogy I have every heard. I will pray for you.

Beats hearing a vile condescending, "I will pray for you."

339 posted on 04/01/2014 10:43:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

I’m not sure at all...

?


340 posted on 04/01/2014 10:44:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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