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DNA and The Book of Mormon Explained full-length video
FAIR MORMON ^ | Published on Feb 18, 2013

Posted on 02/24/2014 7:28:13 PM PST by restornu

Miraculous claims surrounding the coming forth of the Book of Mormon are an evidence of the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith. Critics intent on discrediting the Restoration point to DNA studies on indigenous American peoples in an attempt to expose Joseph, the Book of Mormon, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as frauds. Claiming that scientific evidence excludes any possibility that Middle Eastern or ancient Jewish travelers came to the Americas in antiquity, such critics attempt to sow seeds of doubt in the minds of Latter-day Saints and those of other faiths concerning the authenticity of the Book of Mormon as an ancient religious text.

Are these studies credible? Do the data actually show what the critics claim? Do they discredit the Book of Mormon, or is there biological and other scientific evidence that supports the claims that it is indeed an ancient record of a people that once inhabited the Americas?

The Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research (FAIR) interviews scholars and scientists to answer these important questions and reveals the faith-affirming truth that not only are the critics' conclusions and methods flawed, but that there is credible scientific evidence in favor of the Book of Mormon as an ancient religious text.


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: dna; inman; lds; mormon; mormonism
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To: restornu
Zenock—prophet of Israel and of the lineage of Joseph1

Zenos—prophet of Israel and of the lineage of Joseph1

You left out...

Zero—False prophet of Israel and of the lineage of JosephS

 

 

 

 

 

381 posted on 02/27/2014 4:25:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
and there is no Josephl in the Bible..

That's because; you HATER!!; your 'bible' is incomplete!!

--MormonDude(He is mentioned in the JST - gloriously translated by the power of GOD by Joseph Smith, Jun.)

382 posted on 02/27/2014 4:27:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
He is mentioned in the JST



 
 
King James Version
 
 
Genesis 50:24–26

24And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

25And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.

26So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

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Joseph Smith Translation
 
Genesis 50:24–38

24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die, and go unto my fathers; and I go down to my grave with joy. The God of my father Jacob be with you, to deliver you out of affliction in the days of your bondage; for the Lord hath visited me, and I have obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of my loins, the Lord God will raise up a righteous branch out of my loins; and unto thee, whom my father Jacob hath named Israel, a prophet; (not the Messiah who is called Shilo;) and this prophet shall deliver my people out of Egypt in the days of thy bondage.

25 And it shall come to pass that they shall be scattered again; and a branch shall be broken off, and shall be carried into a far country; nevertheless they shall be remembered in the covenants of the Lord, when the Messiah cometh; for he shall be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the Spirit of power; and shall bring them out of darkness into light; out of hidden darkness, and out of captivity unto freedom.

26 A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins.

27 Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

28 And he shall bring them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers; and he shall do whatsoever work I shall command him.

29 And I will make him great in mine eyes, for he shall do my work; and he shall be great like unto him whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel, out of the land of Egypt; for a seer will I raise up to deliver my people out of the land of Egypt; and he shall be called Moses. And by this name he shall know that he is of thy house; for he shall be nursed by the king’s daughter, and shall be called her son.

30 And again, a seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins; and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the Lord, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them in the last days;

31 Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of the loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines, and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days; and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.

32 And out of weakness shall he be made strong, in that day when my work shall go forth among all my people, which shall restore them, who are of the house of Israel, in the last days.

33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation.

34 And the Lord sware unto Joseph that he would preserve his seed forever, saying, I will raise up Moses, and a rod shall be in his hand, and he shall gather together my people, and he shall lead them as a flock, and he shall smite the waters of the Red Sea with his rod.

35 And he shall have judgment, and shall write the word of the Lord. And he shall not speak many words, for I will write unto him my law by the finger of mine own hand. And I will make a spokesman for him, and his name shall be called Aaron.

36 And it shall be done unto thee in the last days also, even as I have sworn. Therefore, Joseph said unto his brethren, God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land, unto the land which he sware unto Abraham, and unto Isaac, and to Jacob.

37 And Joseph confirmed many other things unto his brethren, and took an oath of the children of Israel, saying unto them, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.

38 So Joseph died when he was an hundred and ten years old; and they embalmed him, and they put him in a coffin in Egypt; and he was kept from burial by the children of Israel, that he might be carried up and laid in the sepulchre with his father. And thus they remembered the oath which they sware unto him.


383 posted on 02/27/2014 4:29:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
He tells of the coming among the Jews of a Messiah,

Messiah is a GREEK word!

Adieu!


384 posted on 02/27/2014 4:32:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Lehi predicts that the Jews will be taken captive by the Babylonians

Before or after Isaiah did?

385 posted on 02/27/2014 4:32:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
SOMEbody is OBSESSED about, ahem, Something!!!


Genesis 50:24–31

24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die, and go unto my fathers; and I go down to my grave with joy. The God of my father Jacob be with you, to deliver you out of affliction in the days of your bondage; for the Lord hath visited me, and I have obtained a promise of the Lord, that out of the fruit of my loins, the Lord God will raise up a righteous branch out of my loins; and unto thee, whom my father Jacob hath named Israel, a prophet; (not the Messiah who is called Shilo;) and this prophet shall deliver my people out of Egypt in the days of thy bondage.

25 And it shall come to pass that they shall be scattered again; and a branch shall be broken off, and shall be carried into a far country; nevertheless they shall be remembered in the covenants of the Lord, when the Messiah cometh; for he shall be made manifest unto them in the latter days, in the Spirit of power; and shall bring them out of darkness into light; out of hidden darkness, and out of captivity unto freedom.

26 A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins.

27 Thus saith the Lord God of my fathers unto me, A choice seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and he shall be esteemed highly among the fruit of thy loins; and unto him will I give commandment that he shall do a work for the fruit of thy loins, his brethren.

28 And he shall bring them to the knowledge of the covenants which I have made with thy fathers; and he shall do whatsoever work I shall command him.

29 And I will make him great in mine eyes, for he shall do my work; and he shall be great like unto him whom I have said I would raise up unto you, to deliver my people, O house of Israel, out of the land of Egypt; for a seer will I raise up to deliver my people out of the land of Egypt; and he shall be called Moses. And by this name he shall know that he is of thy house; for he shall be nursed by the king’s daughter, and shall be called her son.

30 And again, a seer will I raise up out of the fruit of thy loins, and unto him will I give power to bring forth my word unto the seed of thy loins; and not to the bringing forth of my word only, saith the Lord, but to the convincing them of my word, which shall have already gone forth among them in the last days;

31 Wherefore the fruit of thy loins shall write, and the fruit of thy loins of Judah shall write; and that which shall be written by the fruit of thy loins, and also that which shall be written by the fruit of the loins of Judah, shall grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines, and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the fruit of thy loins, and bringing them to a knowledge of their fathers in the latter days; and also to the knowledge of my covenants, saith the Lord.

 

 

386 posted on 02/27/2014 4:45:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

Did you?

But the real question is this; Why read something that is proven to be FICTION?

Something that comes from someone who claimed to be a prophet but has been shown to be anything but. Why would I read something from a fraud if I seek “understanding”? What does a fraud have to offer in that context? How can anyone claim that what is written in that “book” is relevant in any way and still be taken seriously or looked upon as sane?

If, as you claim, you seek truth, what is in the BoA is the opposite since it has been proven that JS made it up...it’s a damned fairy tale of epic porportions.


387 posted on 02/27/2014 6:32:56 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: restornu; Religion Moderator
What they say call me anything you want just don’t call me late for dinner...

I truly believe that cartoonists are mining our MORMON threads for ideas!!!



Bizarro Cartoon for Feb/27/2014
 
Speed Bump
 
 
 

388 posted on 02/27/2014 8:16:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu; Religion Moderator

NOW I'm SURE!!!

 
 
Rose is Rose


Luann Cartoon for Feb/27/2014
 
 
Get Fuzzy

389 posted on 02/27/2014 8:18:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe

Nice try. But when you try and limit God so you can become his equal, you fail everytime.


390 posted on 02/27/2014 8:36:57 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: restornu

Me I prefer truth!

Then why are you a Mormon...


391 posted on 02/27/2014 8:49:28 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: lurk

Ouch.


392 posted on 02/27/2014 8:50:49 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: restornu

One I have no idea what you are saying, two Jimt’s post is gone. Wonder why...


393 posted on 02/27/2014 8:55:13 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Lets just keep it simple. The BOM and other LDS books are frauds and Mormonism is a lie.

Anything beyond that is just so much noise.


394 posted on 02/27/2014 9:05:45 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
One I have no idea what you are saying, two Jimt’s post is gone. Wonder why...

One can kinda deduce the content of #127 by looking at the replies To 127.


 
They have pre-canned posts with 4000 quotes in them (from utterly dubious sources) that you’re supposed to refute in seconds.

 And when the insults, vitriol and anti-Christian behavior isn’t enough, they’ll flat out lie.

 when the insults, vitriol and anti-Christian behavior isn’t enough, they’ll flat out lie.

 Their scriptural knowledge is poor, their manners atrocious, their “holier than thou” facade ridden with holes, and filth.

 "And when the insults, vitriol and anti-Christian behavior isn’t enough, they’ll flat out lie."

 

One can kinda deduce the content of #127 by looking at the replies To 127.

 

 
 
 
 

To: jimt
They have pre-canned posts with 4000 quotes in them (from utterly dubious sources) that you’re supposed to refute in seconds.

Izzat so?

I'll wait for ANY refutation.

Although the LURKERS might give up on you folks when they continue to see how you react to MORMON data being posted.

138 posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:29:22 PM by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: jimt
And when the insults, vitriol and anti-Christian behavior isn’t enough, they’ll flat out lie.

Please; the missionaires are young.

They'll learn better manners.

Wanna point out a LIE?


139 posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:30:23 PM by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: jimt; Tennessee Nana; Jim Robinson; Elsie; reaganaut; colorcountry
when the insults, vitriol and anti-Christian behavior isn’t enough, they’ll flat out lie.

What a perfect example your post is of "insults, vitriol and anti-Christian behavior and lies"! Not to mention "holier-than-thou"!....so typically mormon!

144 posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:33:04 PM by greyfoxx39 (We can thank Mitt Romney for the present situation in our country. His feet are made of clay.)

 To: jimt
Their scriptural knowledge is poor, their manners atrocious, their “holier than thou” facade ridden with holes, and filth.

At LEAST we do not smell like elderberries!

157 posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 4:58:41 PM by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: jimt
"And when the insults, vitriol and anti-Christian behavior isn’t enough, they’ll flat out lie."

My, how "christian" of you...got some proof of this?

Telling the truth about mormonism is an example of "insults", "vitriol" and "anti-Christian behavior"? What do you call bearing false witness, as is demonstrated by your comments?

Hypocrite much? But don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for any proof...but your post is demonstrative of the very type of projection that the mormons and their cabal of defenders will engage in when the cold hard facts just get in the way of the fantasy that is mormonism.

WHERE ARE THE CURELOMS?

162 posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:05:38 PM by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)

 

395 posted on 02/27/2014 9:58:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; ejonesie22; Paragon Defender

I really wrote that? Man, those words bring back some memories...oh PD where did you go wrong?

Oh, I seem to recall you called us nazis...


396 posted on 02/27/2014 10:40:33 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian; jimt
I am always amused that quoting lds leaders:

as in using their own words,

or quoting directly from the BoM,

or relating personal experience,

or posting articles from lds owned news sources,

or articles from former mormons,

or byu events

or showing side by side comparisons between the Bible and the BoM

or historical accounts of JS/BY either by lds or acknowledged history experts or others

are considered

insults, vitriol, lies and anti-Christian behavior.

397 posted on 02/27/2014 10:41:08 AM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: svcw; jimt

Color me confused...I always thought it was:

3 minutes hate


398 posted on 02/27/2014 11:29:13 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I thought that middle photograph was Mitt explaining that he used to be a woman.

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399 posted on 02/27/2014 12:36:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ejonesie22

Why are some people so nasty


400 posted on 02/27/2014 1:30:04 PM PST by restornu
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