Posted on 01/28/2014 7:27:17 PM PST by NKP_Vet
"If a teaching isnt explicit in the Bible, then we dont accept it as doctrine!" That belief, commonly known as sola scriptura, was a central component of all I believed as a Protestant. This bedrock Protestant teaching claims that Scripture alone is the sole rule of faith and morals for Christians. Diving deeper into its meaning to defend my Protestant faith against Catholicism about twenty years ago, I found that there was no uniform understanding of this teaching among Protestant pastors and no book I could read to get a better understanding of it.
What role does tradition play? How explicit does something have to be in Scripture before it can be called doctrine? Does Scripture tell us what is absolutely essential for us to believe as Christians? How can we determine the canon using sola scriptura? All these questions and more pointed to the central question: Where is sola scriptura itself taught in the Bible?
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.com ...
I wonder if restornu will comment on THOSE chapters???
I really don’t have to show anything SZonian
I share the word of the Lord because I love his children in spite of the endless crushing blows I receive.
She's already handwaved that away in reply #487
Our knowledge of the world would be a LOT different, I imagine, if the unknown were revealed!
(Right; NSA??)
Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.
....... The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below. The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further. The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary. Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify. In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building. As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames. What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead. In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs. There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed. And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence. |
I’m merely an echo of the HARD work put into compiling this list!
Oh?
You seem to have no problem with calling imaginations of men spiritual things!
Oh, no!
It's just that which ever of you is right (if either) the truth of the matter won't mean too much to a persons final destiny.
MormonISM, however, is a fish of a different color.
Honey, I am the posting MORMON data: YOU are the one refusing to deal with it.
If HE really had the Restored Gospel® as the MORMONs claim; HE definitely would NOT eat it in warm weather!
Multiple fronts I say. Its going to get worse as time goes on. Gird up with the armor or it could get rough.
HMMMmmm...
Read this at your leisure
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You: >>>> Your getting more obtuse by the post. We heritage gardeners understand that a seed has to be planted and destroyed for more and better seed to come.<<<<
You certainly got all huffy about that one. LOL! It would be nice if you try to respond in a somewhat professional manner.
Me: >> You reply is hard to follow.<<
You: >>>>I dont doubt that for a minute. The spiritual things are hidden to those who dont have the Spirit.<<<<
LOL! How ironic? I have never met a spiritually-minded dispensationalist. The entire foundation of dispensationalism is based on avoidance of the spiritual realm of the scriptures. Everything to a dispensational is carnal, earthly, and of the flesh: even the Church was somehow not the vision of the old testament prophets, even though it is mentioned many times as being on a great and high mountain in the O.T., similar to the great and high mountain in Revelation 21; and it is written, plain-as-day, that Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it. I guess Christ was not a dispensationalist.
Everything to dispensationalists seems centered around some mythical Palestinian Covenant, which exists nowhere but in the minds of dispensationalists. In fact, to be a bona-fide dispensationalist, you have to believe these myths:
1) The Throne of David is not the throne Jesus ascended to after his resurrection (Peter said it "was" on the Day of Pentecost.)
2) The House of Jacob is not the Church composed of both Jew and Gentile (I guess David's and Judah's houses do not qualify to be included in the House of Jacob, since they include Gentiles.)
3) Mount Zion in the O.T. prophecy is always the hill in Israel, and NEVER the heavenly mount Sion in the New Testament.
4) Jerusalem in the O.T. prophecy is always the old city in Israel, and NEVER the heavenly New Jerusalem in the New Testament.
5) The Church is only temporary, and will be whisked away someday to make way for a 1,000 year Jewish rule of the earth (even though Christ loves the Church and gave his live for it. Try to figure that one out.)
6) There are two covenants, called "dual-covenant" theology: one for Christians, and one for Israel (in Hebrews it is written the old covenant is history; and Jeremiah stated the reason for the new, was because Israel broke the old. It is also written that Christ himself fulfilled the old convenant promises.)
7) The seven churches in Asia are always spiritual, and never the actual and real seven churches in Asia that existed around 60 A.D. Notice the oddity in this one. Instead of always earthly, as all of the above, this one is always spiritual. Why? It hurts the dispensationalist case for dual-covenant theology. If the fulfilment of the Revelation was not in future, their whole house of cards crumbles.
>>>1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.<<<<
Cynical Bear, I would recommend you read that verse very carefully.
Philip
Honey, I am the posting MORMON data: YOU are the one refusing to deal with it.
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Some day my comedic friend will have to deal with it!:)
My opinion is that you're AFRAID to speak out about the OBVIOUS problems found in MORMONism.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Duh!
We also KNOW that LDS, Inc. teaches the way Mary got pregnant is the 'natural way' as well.
ME: >>>>>Where does it say they are “representative” Churches. Where does it say anything except they are “THE seven churches in Asia?”<<<<<
YOU: >>>So scripture isnt for our teaching today?<<<
I knew you would avoid that one. LOL.
Everything is literal, but the seven churches. I wonder why?
Philip
Sure it does!
I'm HELPING you by giving you a LIST of OTHER 'mormon' sects you can go to; when Salt Lake City has finally tossed that last straw on your back.
>>>Yeah, and all the years since its been heaven on earth over there in the middle east.<<<
LOL! When will it be heaven on earth on earth under dispensationalism?
well don’t you know no comment from PhilipFreneau on LDS stuff...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3116855/replies?c=654
Wow! That is so 180 off that its not worth giving more time then wrong.
The rest of your post is assumptions on your part or speculation so not worth my time.
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