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Me: >>Did he send his son in vain? Did he send him to save the world, only to turn around and destroy it?<<

You: >>>> Your getting more obtuse by the post. We heritage gardeners understand that a seed has to be planted and “destroyed” for more and better seed to come.<<<<

You certainly got all huffy about that one. LOL! It would be nice if you try to respond in a somewhat professional manner.

Me: >> You reply is hard to follow.<<

You: >>>>I don’t doubt that for a minute. The spiritual things are hidden to those who don’t have the Spirit.<<<<

LOL! How ironic? I have never met a spiritually-minded dispensationalist. The entire foundation of dispensationalism is based on avoidance of the spiritual realm of the scriptures. Everything to a dispensational is carnal, earthly, and of the flesh: even the Church was somehow not the vision of the old testament prophets, even though it is mentioned many times as being on a great and high mountain in the O.T., similar to the great and high mountain in Revelation 21; and it is written, plain-as-day, that Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it. I guess Christ was not a dispensationalist.

Everything to dispensationalists seems centered around some mythical Palestinian Covenant, which exists nowhere but in the minds of dispensationalists. In fact, to be a bona-fide dispensationalist, you have to believe these myths:

1) The Throne of David is not the throne Jesus ascended to after his resurrection (Peter said it "was" on the Day of Pentecost.)

2) The House of Jacob is not the Church composed of both Jew and Gentile (I guess David's and Judah's houses do not qualify to be included in the House of Jacob, since they include Gentiles.)

3) Mount Zion in the O.T. prophecy is always the hill in Israel, and NEVER the heavenly mount Sion in the New Testament.

4) Jerusalem in the O.T. prophecy is always the old city in Israel, and NEVER the heavenly New Jerusalem in the New Testament.

5) The Church is only temporary, and will be whisked away someday to make way for a 1,000 year Jewish rule of the earth (even though Christ loves the Church and gave his live for it. Try to figure that one out.)

6) There are two covenants, called "dual-covenant" theology: one for Christians, and one for Israel (in Hebrews it is written the old covenant is history; and Jeremiah stated the reason for the new, was because Israel broke the old. It is also written that Christ himself fulfilled the old convenant promises.)

7) The seven churches in Asia are always spiritual, and never the actual and real seven churches in Asia that existed around 60 A.D. Notice the oddity in this one. Instead of always earthly, as all of the above, this one is always spiritual. Why? It hurts the dispensationalist case for dual-covenant theology. If the fulfilment of the Revelation was not in future, their whole house of cards crumbles.

>>>1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.<<<<

Cynical Bear, I would recommend you read that verse very carefully.

Philip