adding Utah as a state by pretending to discontinue polygamy
and 8 years before he "married" Lydia Mountford in 1897
Posted on 01/12/2014 7:49:32 PM PST by restornu
Here’s what Joseph Smith thought of Jesus Christ: Shortly before his death in 1844, Joseph boasted:
“If they want a beardless boy to whip all the world, I will get up on the top of a mountain and crow like a rooster: I shall always beat them.... My enemies... think that when they have my spoke under, they will keep me down: but the fools, I will hold on and fly over them.... I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-409).
Mormons and untraditional marriage
Jan 6, 1870 - Wilford Woodruff writes in his diary: “There is a great Exhertion Now making By the wicked & Esspecially By the Congress of the United States to get up a Crusade or war against the Saints under pr[etense] of [opposition to] Polygamy. A Bill is Before Congress to deprive the Latter Day Saints of keeping the Commandments of God. The Lord has Revealed the Law on the Patriarchal order of Marriage & the Lord says we shall be damned if we do not obey it & Congress says we shall be damned if we do. So it is the Lord & Congress for it. I would rather obey the Lord than Congress.”
The (at least) Three gods of Mormonism
Mormon scholar Melodie Moench Charles acknowledges that it is difficult to reconcile the teachings regarding God found in the Book of Mormon with the present teachings of the church. She argues, in fact, that at least some of the teachings of the Book of Mormon regarding God go even beyond the orthodox Trinitarian doctrine in emphasizing the oneness of God:
“Recently when I was teaching the Book of Mormon in an adult Sunday school class we discussed Mosiah 15.... I said that I saw no good way to reconcile Abinadadi’s [sic] words with the current Mormon belief that God and his son Jesus Christ are separate and distinct beings. I suggested that perhaps Abinadi’s understanding was incomplete.
“The class response included defenses of revelation and prophets... and accusations that I was crossing the line of propriety and wisdom to suggest that a prophet could teach incorrect doctrines about God. Some people appreciated a public acknowledgment of an obvious difference between Book of Mormon doctrine and current church doctrine. A few friends said things like, ‘I don’t care what they say about you. I’ve wondered about that passage for a long time, and I’m glad somebody pointed out that it’s not what we teach today.’ But many class members thought the lesson inappropriate and upsetting, and soon I was demoted to teaching nursery....
“When we explore what the Book of Mormon says, its christology or doctrines concerning Christ differ from the christology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since at least the 1840s....
“Book of Mormon people asserted that the Father and Christ (and the Holy Ghost) were one God. When Zeezrom asks Amulek, ‘Is there more than one God?’ Amulek, who learned his information from an angel, answers, ‘No’ (Alma 11: 28-29). At least five times in 3 Nephi, Jesus says that he and the Father are one. Emphasizing that oneness with a singular verb, Nephi, Amulek, and Mormon refer to ‘the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, which is one God’ (2 Ne. 31: 21; Alma 11: 44; Morm. 7: 7, emphasis added).
“This is common trinitarian formula....
“In isolation the Book of Mormon’s ‘which is one God’ statements sound like orthodox trinitarianism, but in context they resemble a theology rejected by orthodoxy since at least 215 C.E., the heresy of modalism (also known as Sabellianism). Modalists believed that for God to have three separate identities or personalities compromised the oneness of God. Therefore, as Sabellius taught, ‘there is only one undivided Spirit; the Father is not one thing and the Son another, but... both are one and the same’ (Lonergan 1976, 38). Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three labels for the different functions which the one God performed.... The Book of Mormon often makes no distinction between Christ and God the Father. For example, Jesus in 3 Nephi talked about covenants which his father made with the Israelites, and yet beyond anything he claimed in the New Testament he also claimed that he was the God of Israel who gave them the law and covenanted with them...
“The Book of Mormon melds together the identity and function of Christ and God. Because Book of Mormon authors saw Christ and his Father as one God who manifested himself in different ways, it made no difference whether they called their god the Father or the Son. They taught that Jesus Christ was not only the one who atoned for their sins but was also the god they were to worship. He was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the God of Israel and the Book of Mormon people....
“Like the Book of Mormon, Mormonism before 1835 was largely modalistic, making no explicit distinction between the identities of the Father and the Son. Yet Mormonism gradually began to distinguish among different beings in the Godhead. This means the christology of the Book of Mormon differs significantly from the christology of the Mormon church after the 1840s....
“The current theology that most Mormons read back into the Book of Mormon is tritheism: belief in three Gods. Joseph Smith and the church only gradually came to understand the Godhead in this way. When he translated the Book of Mormon, Smith apparently envisioned God as modalists did: he accepted Christ and Christ’s father as one God. In his first written account of his ‘first vision’ in 1832 Smith told of seeing ‘the Lord’ — one being....
“Later, in 1844, Smith said, ‘I have always declared God to be a distinct personage — Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and or Spirit, and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods’... Mormon history does not support Smith’s claim about what he taught earlier. Documents from early Mormonism reflect that Smith went from belief in one god to belief in two and later three gods forming one godhead....
“Book of Mormon theology is generally modalistic. In the Book of Mormon, God and Jesus Christ are not distinct beings.” (New Approaches to the Book of Mormon, 1993, pages 82, 96-99, 103-104, 110)
....”this is how our heavenly father became a god. Joseph Smith taught, “it is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainy the character and nature of god”. God is an exalted, glorfied man”.....
(”Gospel Principles”, Chapter 47. 1985 edition.)
Jan 12, 1928 - Heber J. Grant comments about lawsuit by native Hawaiians “against the Church having the right to deed its beach property, which it recently sold for something over a quarter of a million dollars, they claiming that the property really belonged to the natives. Inasmuch as the natives never paid for it I do not know whether they can win out, but they have won in the first court in which the case came up.”
Polygamy
Jan 14, 1883 - Apostle John Henry Smith preaches in England: “I spoke upon the history of Joseph Smith and also upon the baptism for the dead and also upon the doctrine of plural marriage, stating that we do not teach that principal in England as it is contrary to the law.” At the time plural marriage was also contrary to U.S. law.
Only about 15% of all MORMONs are 'worthy' enough to enter their own TEMPLES; yet we got a bunch of them on FR scolding everyone else about things!
If you ain't got a current Temple Recommend; just SHUT UP!!!
Oooooops.....
said the soon to be
"Let US make man in OUR image..."
(I'm sure the Jews have an explanation...)
Now c’mon give the Mormon leader a break...
He was only 60 when he said that...
20 years later and several concubines later he was worn out and wanted a rest..
although after 1890 he did “marry” yet another “wife” or two..
while still “married” to the others..
Brigham Young did say once that having sex with lots of young girls tended to keep a guy young..
>>If you ever had a witness by the Holy Ghost you would never had said what you said...<<
It’s because of the witness of the Holy Spirit I said what I said.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
The prophets of Mormonism are false prophets.
>>Because you would have experience over whelming Joy that the world could never give.<<
Satan does masquerade as the angel of light.
>>But I guess some folks are just to distrusting to believe there are such things.<<
It all depends on where you put your trust.
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I can honestly say you don’t know that.
From the time I was a child the Spirit of the Lord has always comfort me and taught me to know things of the Lord and not.
Many of the mainstream churches were good for milk but they have no meat of the Lord, and one reason for that is that they had no authority because the Lord everlasting priesthood was taken from the earth.
Sense the Restoration of the Lord’s Church is ones again upon the earth all the keys and ordinances an is fully functioning through the power of the Lord’s Everlasting Priesthood
Precept upon precept, Line upon line, here a little, there a little as a firm foundation was being build.
When I first joint the Church I was taught how to discern the spirits.
One thing I have come to learn those who are not teachable scoff and dismiss things of the Lord.
Knowledge of the Lord is always being restored it is a work in progress.
Since Lucifer aka Satan did not keep his 1st estate he never received a body and will always remain a spirit.
Jude 1
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Because of the Restoration the LDS know the meaning of many passages in the Bible that laid dormant for eons.
This is why when the mainstream tries to converse with those who know many places in the Bible remains a mystery try to keep those of us on the milk diet like they have been on...
You might doubt Eternal Father having a body of Flesh and Bone but no way can anyone who is honest that Jesus received from His Father an Eternal body of Flesh and Bone and may I remind those who can receive this in John 5
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Again I remind you of the Godhead
1- Eternal Father
2- Only begotten Son has an Eternal Body of Flesh and Bone this mean for ever and ever.
3- the Holy Ghost which is a disembodied soul
So I asked who is that in the Trinity that was taught by the Tradition of men 3 in one substance?
Many believe that God is spirit therefore Jesus is Spirit to many, yet Jesus has an Eternal Body the 3 members of the Godhead are very distinct.
section 129 Instructions given by Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, February 9, 1843, making known three grand keys by which the correct nature of ministering angels and spirits may be distinguished.http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/129.8?lang=eng#7
adding Utah as a state by pretending to discontinue polygamy
and 8 years before he "married" Lydia Mountford in 1897
Why?
ALL souls should have bodies!
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But doesn't that mean it did have a body at one time ???
Haven’t the LDS explained that away too?
***Here I thought you were sincere you only want to be like some others. Using LDS for sport***
WE are not the ones that started this fight. It was a man, in the early 1800s who stumbled out of the woods of New York claiming he had seen God, Jesus, apostles, angels, a new golden book, ranting silly tales and prophecies, and and everyone better believe what he said, and do what he said, or he would get back at them by standing in the doorway into Heaven and they could not pass unless HE gave the OK to let a person in.
HE threw down the gauntlet, Christian believers picked up that gauntlet and Mormons have been crying “FOUL” ever since.
Remember the old rule, “If you can’t stand the heat...”)
3- the Holy Ghost which is a disembodied soul
Why?
ALL souls should have bodies!
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Against my better judgment I will answer you knowing you will have some spike to hurl at me.
first of all that is a definition of a Ghost.
BTW it has been a question of my for a long time.
In my faith all were spirits in the 1st estate in heaven we were all spirits, in the 2nd estate those who kept their 1st estate were able to receive a Temporal body.
One you died you shed you temporal body your soul is now disembodied and you are now a Ghost.
(a mere shadow of yourself!:)
I thought it didn’t ever earn a body cause it was a bad Mormon...
maybe cursed because it practiced the traditions of men..like one man one woman marriage ???
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