Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel
Here is a scripture that I know that you posted or referenced, and it does give the basics
Galatians 3:
[26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.There are precursors to this in the OT, but I have too much work to do to chase them out presently.
[27] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Wonder how many angels could dance on one of....oh nevermind!
Yes, cats do that sort of thing...
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Until the humans arrive and spoil the moment, forcing them to pretend that they were actually fighting :o)
we all agree on that....O.K., I guess, the couple of billion of Catholics on Earth and the tens of billions who have lived over the years might challenge you....but don't worry, we aren't offended by your inane ramblings...the Catholic church has been attacked by outsiders for 2,013 years and has fared very well.
AMEN!!! Be ready, be faithful, be watching!
John 14:1-6. Jesus tells the faithful all that is important.
Focus on the Upper Room Discourse. Those who truly trust and obey Jesus Christ fear not the Olivet Discourse.
Well, of course I did. And the scripture selection too.
And do you agree that Christ coming IN THE AIR for a group of people is DIFFERENT than Christ RETURNING to this earth for group of people?
It would seem to be so.
Now, IF you believe this, then there are TWO times Christ will approach this earth. ONE time His feet do not touch the earth, He stays IN THE AIR above earth. And ONE time His feet DO touch the earth. Exactly where He LEFT the earth in Acts.
Sorry, I am not welded to the whole second-coming scenario. I think the only one that is indicative is the final one. That is when He is back. How many times He comes 'in the air' is up for grabs...
And btw, He already ascended and came back once at the resurrection, before the advertised Ascension, so your 'second coming' would actually be the third.
No, I didn't say that.
You also told us that there is no rapture but that all will be taken up at the final return of Christ.
I didn't say that either.
Yet we all have been told when that final return will be and even those who don’t follow torah or even believe in Jesus will know when Christ’s final return is. It’s exactly 3 ½ years to the day after the anti Christ set’s himself up in the temple. People who deny the truth of the rapture have some serious problems with what scripture says let alone the torah.
I never denied the rapture. I am a staunch defender thereof. What I denied is pre-trib.
You may be convicted but it’s obvious that all of scripture has clearly not yet been revealed to you.
Why is that? Because I don't see what you do? Careful now... With history as our guide, the truth usually comes calling from folks that are outside of the norm. Just sayin. 'Few will find it'.
And yet you claim there is no longer a difference between Greek and Jew - And that the wall of separation is removed. yet somehow, Israel (to whom all the covenants belong) must bear the wrath of YHWH, while all the Christians go skipping off to heaven, not only avoiding any martyrdom in the tribulation, but hidden also from the wrath...
DEM JOOOOOS! They deserve it, eh? You seem to forget that the OT has YHWH hiding Israel in the folds of his robe while his wrath is poured out...
>> “No, I didn’t say that.” <<
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Been there, done that!
When they can’t refute what you did say, they simply prop up something in its place that is created to be defeated.
Be content in your victory; lurkers are not stupid.
Except for the decision at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15....
No doubt you and I have a different view of the 'Jerusalem Council'. First, their verdict - that a grown man does not need to be circumcised in order to be saved - Is not against Torah. It IS against the Jewish Tradition. Secondly, they gave instruction for new converts - That instruction is half of the Noachide law. The other half is re-enumerated in Moses... And no doubt they would be hearing Moses, in order to continue learning.
I see nothing in the Jerusalem Council that can be used to claim the religious liberties that have been levered from it. The Protestant Tradition for this comes right out of Rome. An Hebrew perspective is more accurate, IMHO.
I don't see them as mutually exclusive - I think you see something novel being revealed... I do not. The Spirit of prophecy IS the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah. That no one understood the prophets is evident (to include the prophets themselves) - But the plan is there, lest the Messiah could not be proven in the Tanakh.
I had thought I was describing my position pretty well... : P
Did God promise Israel actual land on this earth, to be theirs forever, with Messiah ruling? Or did God promise Israel a heavenly position with Him? Were they (Israel) going to be actual flesh and bone people living in that land and did He offer Gentiles the same covenant promise?
That is one of the most vile, disgusting things anyone has ever posted to me, Cynical Bear, or WVKayaker, roamer. We are attempting to work WITH you, NOT against you here. Please stop with the “dem Joos” comments. You are better than that.
Both, neither - Again, I do not believe they are mutually exclusive - Thy Kingdom Come. Jerusalem will come down.
It is indeed vile - and designed to shock folks out of the antisemitism of Rome, so very ingrained that it cannot even be detected without such a shock. Please do not continue to believe that the Jews will have to endure the wrath of YHWH, and will not participate in the bride (she is theirs by right, the gentiles are adopted). I think y'all are better than that. : )
And I offend myself in that too - I am more aware than I was, but it still comes easy to me too.
The two sticks of Ezekiel are made one before the end, not after.
Then why would God bother to separate Abram from the rest of the heathen world, change his name to Abraham and give to him His covenant promise, for a specific people that God formed to be His nation of priests, in a specific land? That doesn’t make any sense. The Abrahamic Covenant was established by God to a specific nation: Israel. Not the whole world. Meanwhile, what were the Gentile nations promised? Anything? The same thing Israel was promised? Both? Neither?
God made a difference between Abraham and the Gentiles when He gave Abraham a wall of partition between him and the Gentiles. Circumcision. When Abraham was 99 years old. That was God’s sign that they were to be a separate people from the Gentiles. With a separate land, separate duties, and a covenant promise with him that God would dwell with them in that land, on this earth one day.
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