Posted on 08/15/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by annalex
Once a woman in the crowd surrounding Christ and His disciples cries out to Him:
Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. (Luke 11:27)
What is it? We have, clearly, an act of venerating Mary. Note that the Blessed Virgin is venerated properly: not on her own but as the mother of Christ. Yet the reason for venerating is indeed concerning: it is her physiological and physiologically unique relationship with Jesus that is emphasized. That is not yet paganism with its crude theories of gods giving birth to other gods, but it is lacking proper focus and Jesus corrects it:
Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:28)
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| The Virgin with the Child on her knees and a prophet pointing at the star. Catacomb of Priscilla, late 2nd c. Source |
Having gotten past this linguistic hurdle, we can understand clearly what this passage, Luke 11:27-28, does: it establishes veneration of saints based not on their blood relation to Christ but on their obedience to God. It is in that sense that we venerate Our Lady: given that Christ is the Word of God personified, she heard and kept both Him in person as her Child and His teaching, figuratively. In Mary the essence of sainthood is seen in the flesh as well as in the mind. We could say that by the late second century at the latest, when we find evidence of the veneration of both the prophets and the Mother of God in the catacombs, the two reasons to venerate a saint: his martyrdom as in the case of Polycarp, or his obedience to the Word, as in Mary, -- unite into a single practice.
“Protestantism is BASED on the extra-biblical tradition of Sola Scriptura.”
Thomas,
I was liking ya till ya said this. Are ya nuts, man?
Burn that flippin’ catechism!!
Make your case with Scripture and Scripture alone.
jodyel
Mary is no more the queen of heaven or anything else than I am. As for Revelation 12, you’d better rethink that. I am amazed at how far gone you are!
"...if your right hand offends you; cut it off..."
Symbolic or not?
The above is a question. That's what you're here for.
Some will, in their own overweening “religious” pride, simply pan or dismiss all the information which you have assembled on the one hand...while on the other telling you to “come home” to the OTC.
“I don’t think the sort who indulge themselves in that sort of thing much know God at all (perhaps rather shallowly if at all?) or mistake their own having received some response from Him as validation for “all” which is claimed within “Romanism”.
One thing more certain, is they scarcely understand you, even as you have gone to some significant lengths and effort to carefully document points on which you have rational disagreement with some of the historical and “typical” Romish claims.”
They do not want to contend for the true faith...they just want to contend for Romanism. And PRIDE is the perfect word to sum up what they are all about. Hands down!
What?
No answer lecture yet?
You are a lost cause, annalex, and I mean that in the nicest of ways.
Mary was NOT 'asked'; she was TOLD what was going to happen.
You appear to have gotten to this thread LATE; but like the last guy working in the vineyard; we are GLAD you are here!
“Well, Mary is depicted as queen, and in heaven in Rev. 12”
Of course you are wrong again. The woman in this instance is, of course, the true Church. In OT refer to Isa 54:5,6 and Jer. 6:2. When the church has become corrupted, then she is referred to as a impure woman Jer. 3:20 and Eze 23:2-4. The figure in Rev. 12 has produced the Christ and is later persecuted (as the early Church was). Clothed with the sun being the Glory of God accompanied by the 12 stars are the twelve Apostles who followed Him.”
Sorry, but I must disagree with you, Bob.
Please see:
http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/all-women-bible/Woman-Clothed-Sun
http://www.thebereancall.org/content/who-woman-clothed-sun
Don't forget the underwear!
“If my people...
“Darn this triple posting nonsense.”
Elsie was getting real good at it a page or so earlier. lol
“Take a Jesus chill pill and a swig of forbearing love, and look at what I mean.”
You sure do have a way with words, HTR! Between you and Elsie, this is something! :)
You need a PITCHER!!!
You’ve got quadruple posting down pat now, Elsie. LOL
Care for a little Reformed Egyptian then?
You SURE take up a LOT of time doing so!
“Or what if we say that Mary was not a virgin? There are plenty of people, imcluding Christians, who deny the Virgin Birth.
OK, where on FR have you encountered this?”
I did not even bother with this, metmom. Between Robby and annalex there is enough error to sink a million Titanics. WOW!
Oh?
I see NO 'obedience' at all!
She was TOLD what was going to happen and it DID!
What was the sole rule of faith before there ever was a bible and a Catholic catechism? What was the sole rule of faith before Jesus was born?
Not a trick question, boys and girls.
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