Posted on 08/15/2013 7:03:11 PM PDT by annalex
Once a woman in the crowd surrounding Christ and His disciples cries out to Him:
Blessed is the womb that bore thee, and the paps that gave thee suck. (Luke 11:27)
What is it? We have, clearly, an act of venerating Mary. Note that the Blessed Virgin is venerated properly: not on her own but as the mother of Christ. Yet the reason for venerating is indeed concerning: it is her physiological and physiologically unique relationship with Jesus that is emphasized. That is not yet paganism with its crude theories of gods giving birth to other gods, but it is lacking proper focus and Jesus corrects it:
Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it. (Luke 11:28)
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| The Virgin with the Child on her knees and a prophet pointing at the star. Catacomb of Priscilla, late 2nd c. Source |
Having gotten past this linguistic hurdle, we can understand clearly what this passage, Luke 11:27-28, does: it establishes veneration of saints based not on their blood relation to Christ but on their obedience to God. It is in that sense that we venerate Our Lady: given that Christ is the Word of God personified, she heard and kept both Him in person as her Child and His teaching, figuratively. In Mary the essence of sainthood is seen in the flesh as well as in the mind. We could say that by the late second century at the latest, when we find evidence of the veneration of both the prophets and the Mother of God in the catacombs, the two reasons to venerate a saint: his martyrdom as in the case of Polycarp, or his obedience to the Word, as in Mary, -- unite into a single practice.
Well, if you're not willing to read BD's post, what makes you think that someone else would want to read your book?
Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And then not word one about her after Jesus ascension. Yep, slathered with veneration all right. NOT
We receive grace of Christ and should obey the Catholic faith. Catholic teaching.
Show us where in the Bible it says we are to obey the CATHOLIC Church.
I don't see the word *catholic* in there, in that verse.
OK, what good works can be found that are not in the Law?
Now what would those be other than the ones they held on to from the Catholics?
So where in Scripture is *baptism of desire* found?
I thought Catholics believed in only ONE baptism. You know, one Lord, one faith, ONE baptism?
Specifics please.....
Well ok…….maybe there is that one other one.
No GOOD works outside the Law.
Catholics seem to think that they aren’t following the Law, and so have established their own good works by which they think they will get to heaven on, and yet, every good work someone does, can be found in the Law.
It can't be because the phrase *mother of God* never even appears in Scripture. The Holy Spirit lead men to call her *the mother of Jesus*.
The phrase *mother of God* is a man made phrase by Catholics own admission.
SO it's a fail from the get go.
There are many, one example being the tradition of sola scriptura. Sure, blame the Catholics. It happens to W all the time.
Scripture itself tells me that it is able to make me wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
What more do we need?
They seem to have a huge problem with the idea that our faith is based on scripture and not ancient rites and traditions, many of which conflict with Bible teachings.
Is it really that hard to grasp?
Back of a cereal box religion
or Church of Jiminy Cricket
Protestant tradition interprets that verse as scripture only. A steering wheel makes a car complete, equipped for a good drive. But you also need an engine, tires etc.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Hmm. Interesting that Paul would commend them for searching the SCRIPTURE to see if even what he taught was correct.
Then there is the fact that Jesus said 25 times “it is written”. Can you show me where He commended tradition?
Of course there is this.
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9
Of course I’m sure you can show proof of where the apostles taught something that wasn’t written down in scripture?
If you can’t. Then whatever is taught that you can’t prove the apostles taught constitutes “another gospel” and that is a rather serious error. I’m sure you would want to prove that the RCC or anyone else who teaches something not found in scripture can be proven was taught by the apostles right? Or would you agree that scripture is the source we should go to in order to prove what they teach is what the apostles taught? Aka sola scriptura.
The power is the Holy Spirit who works in me to will and to do according to God's good pleasure.
Perhaps AH can answer these questions, as there have been no other takers......
Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
I’m thinking what the Catholics are promoting sans any proof that the apostles taught it is “another gospel” and is to be accursed.
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