[imardmd1]

See the difference?

No, I don't at all. Whatever point you are making is quite obscure.

In mine, I was just drawing a caricature of the excuse that one responder made which was that the argument Satan brings is a little bit of something is not sinful, it is not really seriously disobeying God if you have the habit under control.

BTW, we got quite away from your original topic. So let me ask, in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, what does the term Crucifix mean? is it only the image of Jesus on the Cross? or could it include just the empty Cross?

And what makes "Presbyterian" ortodox? Is the church polity the same as for, say, a PCUSA church?

Just asking.

[Gamecock]

In our terms crucifix means the image of man representing Jesus is on a cross.

Orthodox Presbyterian is a denomination that broke away from the liberal northern branch of the Presbyterian church in the early 1930s.

It is Presbyterian by polity and doctrine. That is it adheres to the Westminster Confession and the Shorter and Larger Catechisms.

[Elsie]

And what makes "Presbyterian" ortodox?

You mean Orthodox.