Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Does the Bible Teach that Chistians cannot have X-Ray Vision?
Again; as anyone with two brain cells to rub together can figger out:
this Rock is the revelation that Jesus is the Son of GOD.
JESUS IS TRUTH! HIS CHURCH is HIS BODY.
Jesus is The Word and IT is ALIVE and ACTIVE.
Doctine without a Biblical basis is false doctrine. Reading unsupported truth claims is not evidence, it is simply opinion.
We agree Saints are alive in heaven. The Bible says so.
Show me your evidence that proves they hear us, interact with us, pray for us.
It does not exist.
And, since most of the earliest fathers' writings match those texts in 700 AD, it's pretty clear that those extant texts are copies of copies of scripture that was available to the earliest church fathers...
The RCC on the other hand, uses Codex Vaticanus as the primary source text.
Which the earliest church fathers didn't use...
Yep. It stems from not having peace in their heart as their heart is far from God. That's the price they pay for believing sinful 'man' and their teachings in all it's pomp while pimping for evil.
And Pride is what keeps them there and they will fall just like evil did because of pride. No one can teach those unwilling to be taught - PRIDE is too valuable to them even without knowing it's pride that's keeping them in deception. 'Man which is evil' has them in bondage.
And JESUS The CHRIST sets us free from bondage and since HIS Word is NOT their final authority - they don't believe GOD but the pimp in the vatican and all it's cohorts which is their final authority.
"The phrase "communion of saints" was probably a late addition to the creed, for it cannot be traced back beyond the fifth century A.D., and was not widely accepted till the eighth.No reason can be found to prove that it at first meant other than that believers shared common faith and common blessings in this life. The idea of "the blessed departed" and of class distinctions among them—for example, eminent martyrs and dignitaries—came along later. It "grew to its height in the twelfth century," says Hallam's History of Europe, vol. 3, p. 32."
ShadowAce, you know that I believe our Triune God is the only omniscient one. Therefore, any praying with me at my request would have to present (or on email/text/discussion board) :>) to hear the request. If an angel watches over our little ones, and notices the actions of those who injure the child, then he notices those who ask holy things for the child.
Absolutely untrue...The Christian knows his authority is God's words, the words spoken by God...The church is the result of God's words...God's words in the New Testament were first oral, then written...
Christians are added to the church as they are saved...
It is clear that the words of God give the Catholic religion zero authority and in fact condemn your religion...Apparently that's why you guys reject the words of God as more authoritative than your religion...
Vaticanus is much older and thus closer to what the Apostles actually wrote.
If I misunderstood, I am deeply sorry.
Prayers going up for Eli!
How do you know you contact them?
Do they talk back? If no, why not?
Exactly, there isn't any. There is no sorrow or tears in heaven. And they think they can bring their sorrows to them? LOL! It's desperation because they DON'T know GOD and are taught to by pass HIM, so they seek help from 'anyone' in VAIN.
Once the last breath is spent - it's OVER catholics! You can't pray FOR the dead or TO the dead. And if they feel a need to pray FOR the dead - it shows the dead must need prayers because the dead didn't believe GOD to be their FINAL authority. TOO LATE!
Notice, also, they assume their fellow catholics are in heaven - that's a big assumption. Let's see. 'I'm all yours Mary' is NOT! Practiced Idolatry right to his death and encouraged others to do the same and 'their church' dug up his body to do a satanic ritual.
They either repent now or be damned forever. And some have no way out because they have been given over to a reprobate mind. And, yet, many still follow blindly and turn a deaf ear to GOD.
And where's the evidence that this is a place other than Heaven?
most of the people mentioned in the New Testament were still alive
There was a whole slew of saints, however, who under your theology would have been with Christ in Heaven. Yet none of the leaders of the church mention praying to them in any of the epistles.
Rather, the epistles stress the sufficiency of Christ. They stress that one can enter straight into the presence of God because of what Christ has done. In fact, Jesus said we can now stand and pray "in His name" which is far better than petitioning any saint in Heaven.
I would not pray to a dead saint. I pray only TO God. He is the only Omniscient One who would hear any prayer no matter by whom or at what time or at any place.
I also believe that the dead in Christ are not passive, but are active, and, as Jesus said, “are like the angels in heaven.” That is why the rich man in torment asked:
***Luke 16: 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “ ***
That is why Jesus sat with Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration and “discussed”.
However, while they might be “like angels”, they are not like God. For them to hear someone asking them to pray with him for a little child, they would have to be “present” whatever that means to a spiritual being.
*** 15 When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. “Oh, my lord, what shall we do?” the servant asked. 16 “Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.” 17 And Elisha prayed, “O LORD, open his eyes so he may see.” Then the LORD opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. ***
***Zechariah 1: 7 On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, the month of Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the LORD came to the prophet Zechariah son of Berekiah, the son of Iddo. 8 During the night I had a vision—and there before me was a man riding a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in a ravine. Behind him were red, brown and white horses. 9 I asked, “What are these, my lord?” The angel who was talking with me answered, “I will show you what they are.” 10 Then the man standing among the myrtle trees explained, “They are the ones the LORD has sent to go throughout the earth.” 11 And they reported to the angel of the LORD, who was standing among the myrtle trees, “We have gone throughout the earth and found the whole world at rest and in peace.” 12 Then the angel of the LORD said, “LORD Almighty, how long will you withhold mercy from Jerusalem and from the towns of Judah, which you have been angry with these seventy years?” 13 So the LORD spoke kind and comforting words to the angel who talked with me. 14 Then the angel who was speaking to me said, “Proclaim this word: This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I am very jealous for Jerusalem and Zion, 15 but I am very angry with the nations that feel secure. I was only a little angry, but they added to the calamity.’ 16 “Therefore, this is what the LORD says: ‘I will return to Jerusalem with mercy, and there my house will be rebuilt. And the measuring line will be stretched out over Jerusalem,’ declares the LORD Almighty. 17 “Proclaim further: This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘My towns will again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and choose Jerusalem.’ “ ***
Did God teach you that??? Or are you using your uncommon common sense???
So God is still back at Creation creating the earth...And God is opening the Red Sea Right now...And God is sitting on his Throne in the New Jerusalem that he hasn't built yet...
And the Holy Spirit is overcoming the virgin Mary, right now...
That's it, isn't it...You have to somehow justify your 'Mass' where Jesus is dying, every day of the week all over the world...
You guys try to push this fable on each other and us that claims Jesus is being Crucified on the Cross, right now...It never ended...It's happening right now...
Funny you guys didn't focus on the end of the Crucifixion where Jesus is being raised...Jesus is being raised right now...
So Jesus is being raised right now, Jesus is being Crucified right now and Jesus is being conceived right now...
You keep your fables, we'll stick with what God actually told us in his scriptures...
Whatever made you think that I thought they were not prayers anyway? Are you so dead set on somehow excoriating me that you need to inject what you think I think or something?
Yet you posted the passage in response to my question about those in heaven haveing an active role in what goes on here one earth. Active would indicate that there is communication between the two. Now you admit that there was no communication between the two but only between them and God which is restricted to heaven.
BTW I am quite male. You can ask my wife.
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