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To: JCBreckenridge
The book has not always existed. The Church is older than the Bible. If one is not saved through the Church - than the Bible cannot save anyone. The bible derives it’s authority from the Church not the other way around.

Absolutely untrue...The Christian knows his authority is God's words, the words spoken by God...The church is the result of God's words...God's words in the New Testament were first oral, then written...

Christians are added to the church as they are saved...

It is clear that the words of God give the Catholic religion zero authority and in fact condemn your religion...Apparently that's why you guys reject the words of God as more authoritative than your religion...

1,111 posted on 07/17/2013 11:59:03 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool; JCBreckenridge
They bypass GOD'S WORD ..."In the beginning was the Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God. " JESUS IS THE WORD.

and they go straight to the teachings of 'man' which is evil'......The book has not always existed. The Church is older than the Bible. If one is not saved through the Church - than the Bible cannot save anyone.

To say 'their church'/catholicsm was from the beginning is giving to EVIL a universal name since the beginning. The 'deceitful one' had other names, also. However, his pawns want to lay claim to evil 'universally' by calling it 'catholicsm/'their church' - they own it.

THE BIBLE is GOD'S WORD and Jesus is GOD The WORD since the beginning and they refer to It as a book. That's evil's way of discounting Jesus and since evil needs a body to give it a voice - he can only use the ones he deceived for his words to be spoken. To them we have nothing to do with - for what does goodness have to do with evil?

There is NO good that comes out of the counterfeit and it's hell bent to gain some authority which the Vatican and all it's pawns gave evil to their own demise.

"How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations! For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also on the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High" Isaiah 14

Satan had his pawns over time to fulfill this Scripture. They ate his LIES and DECEPTION. They are the children of the dark and lost. And it's THEIR CHOICE to be such.

1,129 posted on 07/17/2013 2:06:30 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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