Posted on 06/23/2013 6:13:23 PM PDT by markomalley
It’s not news when irrelevant people spout irrational opinions, because it happens nearly all the time, but hey – it’s been a slow day.
From Swampland:
Let’s get right to it. This week the Carter Center’s Mobilizing Faith for Women conference will ask the question, “Can religion be a force for women’s rights instead of a source of women’s oppression?” What’s your answer?
Well, religion can be, and I think there’s a slow, very slow, move around the world to give women equal rights in the eyes of God. What has been the case for many centuries is that the great religions, the major religions, have discriminated against women in a very abusive fashion and set an example for the rest of society to treat women as secondary citizens. In a marriage or in the workplace or wherever, they are discriminated against. And I think the great religions have set the example for that, by ordaining, in effect, that women are not equal to men in the eyes of God.
This has been done and still is done by the Catholic Church ever since the third century, when the Catholic Church ordained that a woman cannot be a priest for instance but a man can. A woman can be a nurse or a teacher but she can’t be a priest. This is wrong, I think. As you may or may not know, the Southern Baptist Convention back now about 13 years ago in Orlando, voted that women were inferior and had to be subservient to their husbands, and ordained that a woman could not be a deacon or a pastor or a chaplain or even a teacher in a classroom in some seminaries where men are in the classroom, boys are in the classroom. So my wife and I withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention primarily because of that…
In the Islamic world that varies widely depending on what the regime is in the capital. Sometimes they try to impose very strict law, misquoting I think the major points of the Qur’an, and they ordain that a woman is inferior inherently. Ten year old girls can be forced to marry against their wishes, and that women can be treated as slaves in a marriage, and that a woman can’t drive an automobile, some countries don’t let women vote, like Saudi Arabia.
Yeah, the Catholic Church is just like the Islam religion in how women are treated. Practically indistinguishable. And in case he was unclear, later in the interview, Jimmy mentions the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
How can mobilizing religious communities for women’s rights produce results?
To repeat myself in a way, I think that what the major religious leaders say is used by others who discriminate against women as justification for their human rights abuse. For instance if an employer, who might be otherwise enlightened, if he is a religious person and he sees that, he might be a Catholic, and a Catholic does not let women be priests, then why should he pay his women employees an equal pay [as men]?
In the United States that prevails all over. We have an average now of about 70% that a woman earns compared to a 100% that a man earns for doing the same job. And very few of the corporate boards have I think 50% women. Very few of them. And of course we have a very few percentage of women in our House of Representatives and in our Senate. We never yet had a woman president, but I think that’s going to come in the near future. But I think in general terms this is a very derogating thing.
It is much worse in some of the third world countries where genital cutting is condoned and girls are forced to marry when they are as young as 8 or 10 years old and they have no voice in who their husband might be or when they get married. And you see the extreme case with Al Qaeda and particularly with the Taliban in Afghanistan. So these are the kind of things that permeate society in a very general way and it afflicts almost every single community in America and almost throughout the world. There is a sense that women are not quite equal to men both politically and economically and in religious terms.
I love Jimmy’s logic here: since the Church doesn’t ordain women, then Catholic employers will feel it’s okay to pay female employees less. Never mind that Catholic priests earn less than anybody else in the Church – that makes too much sense. Then again, Jimmy rarely made sense anyway.
I suppose I should give him credit for acknowledging that genital cutting is worse than the Catholic Church not ordaining women. Of course genital cutting is worse, but in his mind – and in the minds of so many people who think like him – it’s only worse in degree, but not in kind.
Hey Jimmy! How come it’s bad to refuse women their choice to be a womynpreest, but it’s great to give them the choice to abort their unborn daughters? ‘Splain that justice for me!
This is the first time I'd heard there was a corresponding women's prayer.
The whole concept is to thank God for doing what He has done, because by our existence we reflect the wisdom of God. We are the way He made us so that we can carry out His plan for us.
Makes perfect sense to me.
I'm pretty sure it was Pope John Paul II who made that ex cathedra declaration. By doing that, he declared the debate permanently ended. That ruling can never change.
Thank you.
Carter’s mother actually said ..”I shoulda stayed a Virgin”!!
Jimmy Carter is a Baptist the way Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, or Chuck Schumer is a Jew, or Harry Reid is a Mormon. It's a label and a libel.
A label to prevent the people from recognizing their true fascist selves and hatred for mankind, and a libel to their respective religions.
“The whole concept is to thank God for doing what He has done, because by our existence we reflect the wisdom of God. We are the way He made us so that we can carry out His plan for us.”
That’s interesting. Thank you for sharing that.
Thanks for the correction. I’m a new Catholic and sometimes get things wrong.
::Sigh:: Once again people, Theonomic positivism would prevent this issue from ever even coming up.
::yawn::
As per the Instruction Manual.
No apology necessary but the document is well worth reading.
Palazzo delle Congregazioni
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Not really, Harry Reid is a top notch Mormon, he is personally vetted and verified by the church as one of the most devout and devoted Mormons, and he is issued identification on an annual basis, proving his state of holiness so that he can enter the temples and participate fully in the secret ceremonies, he is an exceptional Mormon, Pelosi can meet personally with the Pope, and just received communion at the Vatican, she is doing fine as a Catholic and many Catholics must be in awe of her Vatican treatment and would love to be able to have such experiences.
Chuck Schumer worships at Congregation Beth Elohim, the largest and most active Reform congregation in Brooklyn. While the senator spends his week in Washington, he makes it his business to come home every Friday to spend the Jewish Sabbath -- which begins on Friday night -- with his family and attends his temple regularly. Jimmy Carter became something other than his original denomination, Southern Baptist which he publicly renounced and formally left, he went to another christian denomination which also has the word Baptist in it's name, in fact Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton formed their own church or non-Southern Baptist religious organization, New Baptist Covenant, so Carter is no longer even a member of his previous church, and I assume that he is a member in great standing of the religious group that he founded.
That doesn't surprise me. I tend to prefer the priests that aren't popular. They are usually the ones doing their job by teaching orthodoxy and telling parishioners what they don't "want" to hear.
Yes, I think you’re right! One woman recently told him (because he is so talkative/friendly), “Father, I think you missed your calling.” He was upset by it I believe as he wrote about it, but it does ring true.
I can see that happening.
(nuns are a particular category of sisters) ...
I never knew that. Thanks.
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