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Jimmy Carter: Failure Of Catholic Church To Ordain Women Is A Human Rights Abuse
Acts of the Apostasy ^ | 6/23/2013

Posted on 06/23/2013 6:13:23 PM PDT by markomalley

It’s not news when irrelevant people spout irrational opinions, because it happens nearly all the time, but hey – it’s been a slow day.

From Swampland:

Let’s get right to it. This week the Carter Center’s Mobilizing Faith for Women conference will ask the question, “Can religion be a force for women’s rights instead of a source of women’s oppression?” What’s your answer?

Well, religion can be, and I think there’s a slow, very slow, move around the world to give women equal rights in the eyes of God. What has been the case for many centuries is that the great religions, the major religions, have discriminated against women in a very abusive fashion and set an example for the rest of society to treat women as secondary citizens. In a marriage or in the workplace or wherever, they are discriminated against. And I think the great religions have set the example for that, by ordaining, in effect, that women are not equal to men in the eyes of God.

This has been done and still is done by the Catholic Church ever since the third century, when the Catholic Church ordained that a woman cannot be a priest for instance but a man can. A woman can be a nurse or a teacher but she can’t be a priest. This is wrong, I think. As you may or may not know, the Southern Baptist Convention back now about 13 years ago in Orlando, voted that women were inferior and had to be subservient to their husbands, and ordained that a woman could not be a deacon or a pastor or a chaplain or even a teacher in a classroom in some seminaries where men are in the classroom, boys are in the classroom. So my wife and I withdrew from the Southern Baptist Convention primarily because of that…

In the Islamic world that varies widely depending on what the regime is in the capital. Sometimes they try to impose very strict law, misquoting I think the major points of the Qur’an, and they ordain that a woman is inferior inherently. Ten year old girls can be forced to marry against their wishes, and that women can be treated as slaves in a marriage, and that a woman can’t drive an automobile, some countries don’t let women vote, like Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, the Catholic Church is just like the Islam religion in how women are treated. Practically indistinguishable.  And in case he was unclear, later in the interview, Jimmy mentions the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

How can mobilizing religious communities for women’s rights produce results?

To repeat myself in a way, I think that what the major religious leaders say is used by others who discriminate against women as justification for their human rights abuse. For instance if an employer, who might be otherwise enlightened, if he is a religious person and he sees that, he might be a Catholic, and a Catholic does not let women be priests, then why should he pay his women employees an equal pay [as men]?

In the United States that prevails all over. We have an average now of about 70% that a woman earns compared to a 100% that a man earns for doing the same job. And very few of the corporate boards have I think 50% women. Very few of them. And of course we have a very few percentage of women in our House of Representatives and in our Senate. We never yet had a woman president, but I think that’s going to come in the near future. But I think in general terms this is a very derogating thing.

It is much worse in some of the third world countries where genital cutting is condoned and girls are forced to marry when they are as young as 8 or 10 years old and they have no voice in who their husband might be or when they get married. And you see the extreme case with Al Qaeda and particularly with the Taliban in Afghanistan. So these are the kind of things that permeate society in a very general way and it afflicts almost every single community in America and almost throughout the world. There is a sense that women are not quite equal to men both politically and economically and in religious terms.

I love Jimmy’s logic here: since the Church doesn’t ordain women, then Catholic employers will feel it’s okay to pay female employees less. Never mind that Catholic priests earn less than anybody else in the Church – that makes too much sense. Then again, Jimmy rarely made sense anyway.

I suppose I should give him credit for acknowledging that genital cutting is worse than the Catholic Church not ordaining women. Of course genital cutting is worse, but in his mind – and in the minds of so many people who think like him – it’s only worse in degree, but not in kind.

Hey Jimmy! How come it’s bad to refuse women their choice to be a womynpreest, but it’s great to give them the choice to abort their unborn daughters?  ‘Splain that justice for me!


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: anticatholicbigotry; carter; jimmycarter
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To: Steve1789
In the women's prayer, they thank God that they were not born male.

This is the first time I'd heard there was a corresponding women's prayer.

The whole concept is to thank God for doing what He has done, because by our existence we reflect the wisdom of God. We are the way He made us so that we can carry out His plan for us.

Makes perfect sense to me.

101 posted on 06/23/2013 9:56:29 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: ottbmare
as Pope Benedict pointed out, the Church does not have the authority to do so.

I'm pretty sure it was Pope John Paul II who made that ex cathedra declaration. By doing that, he declared the debate permanently ended. That ruling can never change.

102 posted on 06/23/2013 10:06:07 PM PDT by Steve0113 (I miss having a president who loves this country.)
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To: Steve1789

Thank you.


103 posted on 06/23/2013 11:00:43 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: rfp1234

Carter’s mother actually said ..”I shoulda stayed a Virgin”!!


104 posted on 06/24/2013 5:06:12 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: big'ol_freeper; Farmer Dean
Jimmy Carter. Baptist. Nuff Ced.

Jimmy Carter is a Baptist the way Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, or Chuck Schumer is a Jew, or Harry Reid is a Mormon. It's a label and a libel.

A label to prevent the people from recognizing their true fascist selves and hatred for mankind, and a libel to their respective religions.

105 posted on 06/24/2013 5:18:57 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: Steve1789

“The whole concept is to thank God for doing what He has done, because by our existence we reflect the wisdom of God. We are the way He made us so that we can carry out His plan for us.”

That’s interesting. Thank you for sharing that.


106 posted on 06/24/2013 5:50:49 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ottbmare
as Pope Benedict pointed out, the Church does not have the authority to do so.

Pope John Paul II

107 posted on 06/24/2013 6:43:03 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thanks for the correction. I’m a new Catholic and sometimes get things wrong.


108 posted on 06/24/2013 6:49:08 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: markomalley

::Sigh:: Once again people, Theonomic positivism would prevent this issue from ever even coming up.


109 posted on 06/24/2013 7:03:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: markomalley

::yawn::


110 posted on 06/24/2013 7:11:46 AM PDT by piusv
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To: markomalley; mlizzy
Before writing to your Bishop, I suggest you talk with him personally. If a tete-a-tete doesn't produce results, make another appt. and include your husband or another faithful pewsitter. Only after that would I go to the Bishop.

As per the Instruction Manual.

111 posted on 06/24/2013 7:22:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: ottbmare

No apology necessary but the document is well worth reading.


112 posted on 06/24/2013 9:13:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: mlizzy
Send your pastor a copy of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis and remind him of what it means to be in communion with the Church. CC the Bishop and the Congregation for the Clergy on all correspondence as well.

Palazzo delle Congregazioni
00193 Roma
Piazza Pio XII, 3

113 posted on 06/24/2013 9:22:24 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Mrs. Don-o; markomalley
Thank you all for your information/suggestions. My husband, Tom, tried to speak with him one time but that didn't work out; he'll try again. This priest, however, has written similarly, and showed his support (via the bulletin) for an elected female cardinal. He also did nothing to discourage voting Obama, and in fact, came across as a supporter.

He's older and is planning on retiring in less than a year and the faithful at the parish think he's trying to "get everything out" that he believes while he can and that no one will stop him because he's soon leaving. It's discouraging as I mentioned because he's a very popular priest; I've been there before when there's standing room only for his Masses.
114 posted on 06/24/2013 9:39:40 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: markomalley
Jimmah Carter knows a lot about failure, but he is wrong, again.

5.56mm

115 posted on 06/24/2013 9:42:21 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Hardastarboard
Jimmy Carter is a Baptist the way Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, or Chuck Schumer is a Jew, or Harry Reid is a Mormon. It's a label and a libel.

Not really, Harry Reid is a top notch Mormon, he is personally vetted and verified by the church as one of the most devout and devoted Mormons, and he is issued identification on an annual basis, proving his state of holiness so that he can enter the temples and participate fully in the secret ceremonies, he is an exceptional Mormon, Pelosi can meet personally with the Pope, and just received communion at the Vatican, she is doing fine as a Catholic and many Catholics must be in awe of her Vatican treatment and would love to be able to have such experiences.

Chuck Schumer worships at Congregation Beth Elohim, the largest and most active Reform congregation in Brooklyn. While the senator spends his week in Washington, he makes it his business to come home every Friday to spend the Jewish Sabbath -- which begins on Friday night -- with his family and attends his temple regularly. Jimmy Carter became something other than his original denomination, Southern Baptist which he publicly renounced and formally left, he went to another christian denomination which also has the word Baptist in it's name, in fact Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton formed their own church or non-Southern Baptist religious organization, New Baptist Covenant, so Carter is no longer even a member of his previous church, and I assume that he is a member in great standing of the religious group that he founded.

116 posted on 06/24/2013 10:30:00 AM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: mlizzy
he's a very popular priest

That doesn't surprise me. I tend to prefer the priests that aren't popular. They are usually the ones doing their job by teaching orthodoxy and telling parishioners what they don't "want" to hear.

117 posted on 06/24/2013 1:57:01 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

Yes, I think you’re right! One woman recently told him (because he is so talkative/friendly), “Father, I think you missed your calling.” He was upset by it I believe as he wrote about it, but it does ring true.


118 posted on 06/24/2013 2:42:02 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: markomalley; All

http://www.taylormarshall.com/2013/06/jimmy-carter-vs-blessed-virgin-mary.html


119 posted on 06/24/2013 8:05:57 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ArrogantBustard
some benighted soul might insist that (Y-chromosome to the contrary notwithstanding) he wants to be a "sister".

I can see that happening.

(nuns are a particular category of sisters) ...

I never knew that. Thanks.

120 posted on 06/24/2013 9:05:03 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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