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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

Bl. John Henry Newman said it best: “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” History paints an overwhelming picture of St. Peter’s apostolic ministry in Rome and this is confirmed by a multitude of different sources within the Early Church. Catholic Encyclopedia states, “In opposition to this distinct and unanimous testimony of early Christendom, some few Protestant historians have attempted in recent times to set aside the residence and death of Peter at Rome as legendary. These attempts have resulted in complete failure.” Protestantism as a whole seeks to divorce Christianity from history by rending Gospel message out of its historical context as captured by our Early Church Fathers. One such target of these heresies is to devalue St. Peter and to twist the authority of Rome into a historical mishap within Christianity. To wit, the belief has as its end the ultimate end of all Catholic and Protestant dialogue – who has authority in Christianity?

 

Why is it important to defend the tradition of St. Peter and Rome?
The importance of establishing St. Peter’s ministry in Rome may be boiled down to authority and more specifically the historic existence and continuance of the Office of Vicar held by St. Peter. To understand why St. Peter was important and what authority was given to him by Christ SPL has composed two lists – 10 Biblical Reasons Christ Founded the Papacy and 13 Reasons St. Peter Was the Prince of the Apostles.

The rest of the list is cited from the Catholic Encyclopedia on St. Peter and represents only a small fraction of the evidence set therein.

 

The Apostolic Primacy of St. Peter and Rome

It is an indisputably established historical fact that St. Peter laboured in Rome during the last portion of his life, and there ended his earthly course by martyrdom. As to the duration of his Apostolic activity in the Roman capital, the continuity or otherwise of his residence there, the details and success of his labours, and the chronology of his arrival and death, all these questions are uncertain, and can be solved only on hypotheses more or less well-founded. The essential fact is that Peter died at Rome: this constitutes the historical foundation of the claim of the Bishops of Rome to the Apostolic Primacy of Peter.

St. Peter’s residence and death in Rome are established beyond contention as historical facts by a series of distinct testimonies extending from the end of the first to the end of the second centuries, and issuing from several lands.

 

1. The Gospel of St. John

That the manner, and therefore the place of his death, must have been known in widely extended Christian circles at the end of the first century is clear from the remark introduced into the Gospel of St. John concerning Christ’s prophecy that Peter was bound to Him and would be led whither he would not — “And this he said, signifying by what death he should glorify God” (John 21:18-19, see above). Such a remark presupposes in the readers of the Fourth Gospel a knowledge of the death of Peter.

 

2. Salutations, from Babylon

St. Peter’s First Epistle was written almost undoubtedly from Rome, since the salutation at the end reads: “The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you: and so doth my son Mark” (5:13). Babylon must here be identified with the Roman capital; since Babylon on the Euphrates, which lay in ruins, or New Babylon (Seleucia) on the Tigris, or the Egyptian Babylon near Memphis, or Jerusalem cannot be meant, the reference must be to Rome, the only city which is called Babylon elsewhere in ancient Christian literature (Revelation 17:5; 18:10; “Oracula Sibyl.”, V, verses 143 and 159, ed. Geffcken, Leipzig, 1902, 111).

 

3. Gospel of St. Mark

From Bishop Papias of Hierapolis and Clement of Alexandria, who both appeal to the testimony of the old presbyters (i.e., the disciples of the Apostles), we learn that Mark wrote his Gospel in Rome at the request of the Roman Christians, who desired a written memorial of the doctrine preached to them by St. Peter and his disciples (Eusebius, Church History II.15, 3.40, 6.14); this is confirmed by Irenaeus (Against Heresies 3.1). In connection with this information concerning the Gospel of St. Mark, Eusebius, relying perhaps on an earlier source, says that Peter described Rome figuratively as Babylon in his First Epistle.

 

4. Testimony of Pope St. Clement I

Another testimony concerning the martyrdom of Peter and Paul is supplied by Clement of Rome in his Epistle to the Corinthians (written about A.D. 95-97), wherein he says (chapter 5):

“Through zeal and cunning the greatest and most righteous supports [of the Church] have suffered persecution and been warred to death. Let us place before our eyes the good Apostles — St. Peter, who in consequence of unjust zeal, suffered not one or two, but numerous miseries, and, having thus given testimony (martyresas), has entered the merited place of glory”.

He then mentions Paul and a number of elect, who were assembled with the others and suffered martyrdom “among us” (en hemin, i.e., among the Romans, the meaning that the expression also bears in chapter 4). He is speaking undoubtedly, as the whole passage proves, of the Neronian persecution, and thus refers the martyrdom of Peter and Paul to that epoch.

 

5. Testimony of St. Ignatius of Antioch

In his letter written at the beginning of the second century (before 117), while being brought to Rome for martyrdom, the venerable Bishop Ignatius of Antioch endeavours by every means to restrain the Roman Christians from striving for his pardon, remarking: “I issue you no commands, like Peter and Paul: they were Apostles, while I am but a captive” (Epistle to the Romans 4). The meaning of this remark must be that the two Apostles laboured personally in Rome, and with Apostolic authority preached the Gospel there.

 

6. Taught in the Same Place in Italy

Bishop Dionysius of Corinth, in his letter to the Roman Church in the time of Pope Soter (165-74), says:

“You have therefore by your urgent exhortation bound close together the sowing of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth. For both planted the seed of the Gospel also in Corinth, and together instructed us, just as they likewise taught in the same place in Italy and at the same time suffered martyrdom” (in Eusebius, Church History II.25).

 

 

7. Rome: Founded by Sts. Peter and Paul

Irenaeus of Lyons, a native of Asia Minor and a disciple of Polycarp of Smyrna (a disciple of St. John), passed a considerable time in Rome shortly after the middle of the second century, and then proceeded to Lyons, where he became bishop in 177; he described the Roman Church as the most prominent and chief preserver of the Apostolic tradition, as “the greatest and most ancient church, known by all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul” (Against Heresies 3.3; cf. 3.1). He thus makes use of the universally known and recognized fact of the Apostolic activity of Peter and Paul in Rome, to find therein a proof from tradition against the heretics.

 

8. St. Peter Announced the Word of God in Rome

In his “Hypotyposes” (Eusebius, Church History IV.14), Clement of Alexandria, teacher in the catechetical school of that city from about 190, says on the strength of the tradition of the presbyters: “After Peter had announced the Word of God in Rome and preached the Gospel in the spirit of God, the multitude of hearers requested Mark, who had long accompanied Peter on all his journeys, to write down what the Apostles had preached to them” (see above).

 

9. Rome: Where Authority is Ever Within Reach

Like Irenaeus, Tertullian appeals, in his writings against heretics, to the proof afforded by the Apostolic labours of Peter and Paul in Rome of the truth of ecclesiastical tradition. In De Præscriptione 36, he says:

“If thou art near Italy, thou hast Rome where authority is ever within reach. How fortunate is this Church for which the Apostles have poured out their whole teaching with their blood, where Peter has emulated the Passion of the Lord, where Paul was crowned with the death of John.”

In Scorpiace 15, he also speaks of Peter’s crucifixion. “The budding faith Nero first made bloody in Rome. There Peter was girded by another, since he was bound to the cross”. As an illustration that it was immaterial with what water baptism is administered, he states in his book (On Baptism 5) that there is “no difference between that with which John baptized in the Jordan and that with which Peter baptized in the Tiber”; and against Marcion he appeals to the testimony of the Roman Christians, “to whom Peter and Paul have bequeathed the Gospel sealed with their blood” (Against Marcion 4.5).

 

10. Come to the Vatican and See for Yourself

The Roman, Caius, who lived in Rome in the time of Pope Zephyrinus (198-217), wrote in his “Dialogue with Proclus” (in Eusebius, Church History II.25) directed against the Montanists: “But I can show the trophies of the Apostles. If you care to go to the Vatican or to the road to Ostia, thou shalt find the trophies of those who have founded this Church”.

By the trophies (tropaia) Eusebius understands the graves of the Apostles, but his view is opposed by modern investigators who believe that the place of execution is meant. For our purpose it is immaterial which opinion is correct, as the testimony retains its full value in either case. At any rate the place of execution and burial of both were close together; St. Peter, who was executed on the Vatican, received also his burial there. Eusebius also refers to “the inscription of the names of Peter and Paul, which have been preserved to the present day on the burial-places there” (i.e. at Rome).

 

11. Ancient Epigraphic Memorial

There thus existed in Rome an ancient epigraphic memorial commemorating the death of the Apostles. The obscure notice in the Muratorian Fragment (“Lucas optime theofile conprindit quia sub praesentia eius singula gerebantur sicuti et semote passionem petri evidenter declarat”, ed. Preuschen, Tübingen, 1910, p. 29) also presupposes an ancient definite tradition concerning Peter’s death in Rome.

The apocryphal Acts of St. Peter and the Acts of Sts. Peter and Paul likewise belong to the series of testimonies of the death of the two Apostles in Rome.


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To: Syncro
Sorry, but that is a false statement -- “Dominus Iesus,” says nothing about the denominations orders -- please don't repeat falsehoods

What it does say is The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.59 Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church -- so no statement about defective or not, please retract your repetition of an incorrect statement

381 posted on 01/08/2013 5:47:58 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: All

Graphics of Christian family tree, first example:

http://www.synaxis.org/images/tree_of_church_history.jpg


382 posted on 01/08/2013 5:49:35 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Syncro
Secondly, it does not that those baptized into the denominatons are by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church

"Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation"

All goes back to my point of Christians. That’s Catholics, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, Baptists, Orthodox, Copts, Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans, Assyrians etc." -- Pope Benedict has always reiterated that those in the denominations outside orthodoxy who retain Christian teachings are Christians.

Jehovah's Witnesse and Mormons (like the one I initially replied to) are not Christian -- do you agree to that?

383 posted on 01/08/2013 5:52:01 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: All

Here is a family tree version:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QbrZupV_Q-k/SScs7lVzm1I/AAAAAAAABpw/nVl_zkbXgv0/s400/family-tree.gif


384 posted on 01/08/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Just BELIEVE is what is IMPORTANT!

Yes, that was the message I was conveying (as does scripture.)

It makes having a personal relationship with God through Jesus so easy, many miss it.

What part does belief have in salvation

 (the new birth ) ?

Jesus said in
John 3:15-16, "everyone who believes in Him ( who cleaves to Him, trusts Him and relies on Him ) may not perish
but have eternal life and
( actually ) live forever. For God so greatly loved the world that He
gave up His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in
( trusts in, clings to, relies on ) Him
shall not perish, (come to destruction,
be lost)
but have eternal everlasting
life
".


385 posted on 01/08/2013 6:13:46 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Cronos

I didn’t say it did.


386 posted on 01/08/2013 6:18:20 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Cronos
One thing that is absolutely certain at this point is that the original language of the gospels was Hebrew, not Greek ...

Still spreading this myth. This will certainly appear in the cathecism someday under the tab "Sacred Tradition."

387 posted on 01/08/2013 6:20:14 AM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: terycarl
if christians who are not Catholics are not protestants....what are they???

Christians - followers of Christ.

My identity is not a religious denomination, it is in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

Churches or denominations do not save. They are not a mediator between me and God. God does not require church membership or affiliation to be able to come to Him. We don't need church leaders to get us to God, we can come to Him ourselves.

Romans 12:4-8 4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; 8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

388 posted on 01/08/2013 6:20:50 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
All Catholics are born again.

Then why aren't Catholics sure they're going to heaven?

389 posted on 01/08/2013 6:22:15 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl; Elsie

Why does the Catholic church translate from a translation?

It would be far better to translate from the original to keep as much error out as possible.


390 posted on 01/08/2013 6:24:26 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Al Hitan; Elsie

Matthew 16:18 - http://bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm

Jesus said that Peter was *petros*(masculine) and that on this *petra*(feminine) He would build His church.

Greek: 4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros (”small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra (”cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).

“4074 (Pétros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (pétra) is a cliff” (TDNT, 3, 100). “4074 (Pétros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (pétra), a projecting rock, cliff” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – “a mass of connected rock,” which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is “a detached stone or boulder” (A-S). 4073 (pétra) is a “solid or native rock, rising up through the earth” (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is “a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

It’s also a strange way to word the sentence that He would call Peter a rock and say that on this I will build my church instead of *on you* as would be grammatically correct in talking to a person.

There is no support from the original Greek for the idea that Jesus meant Peter to be that which He was going to build His church on. The nouns are not the same as one is feminine and the other masculine and denote different objects.


391 posted on 01/08/2013 6:31:40 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos
Read it for yourself and see what you think
updated     7/10/2007 9:52:43 AM ET

 

Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Pope Benedict has always reiterated that those in the denominations outside orthodoxy who retain Christian teachings are Christians.

See above.

Yes, JW's and Mormons are not Christians.

392 posted on 01/08/2013 6:39:09 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl
What you haven't done is explain why Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter." Did He think Peter had forgotten his name

Peter's name was Simon Bar Jona...Christ named him Peter (petros...Rock)

According to the post I was replying to, Christ had already named him Peter before His statement in Matthew 16:18, and therefore that passage does not identify Simon Peter as the rock on which Christ would build His Church. I was pointing out a hole in that argument.

393 posted on 01/08/2013 7:22:57 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Elsie
What you haven't done is explain why Christ said, [TEXT OMITTED BY ELSIE: "And I tell you that you are Peter." Did He think Peter had forgotten his name?]

It's YOUR strawman: YOU explain it.

It's not a "strawman" but the words of the Lord as recorded in Scripture. Are you going to answer the question or continue to evade, bob, and weave?

394 posted on 01/08/2013 7:26:30 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: metmom; Elsie
We were discussing whether Jesus gave Simon the name of Peter. Here let me help you follow along:

Elsie in 186:

    Not really. The Bible CLEARLY indicates that SIMON was ALREADY known as Peter before Jesus mentioned it.

Me in 243:

    Yes, really. Jesus gave Simon the name of Peter (Cephas/Rock).

Elsie in 284:

    And you IGNORE the scripture (#180) I posted that PROVES He didn't?

Me in 352:

    Luke 6:14 Simon, whom He also named Peter [Cephas/Rock]

395 posted on 01/08/2013 7:35:39 AM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: Heart-Rest
Now, seriously, does that sound like a God who does NOT choose quite often to communicate through imperfect, weak, frail human instruments?

You are obviously trying to rely on your human wisdom and common sense instead of seeking the truth in God's word, the scriptures...

There are 3 people in the Trinity...The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit...The Father is seated, right now in Heaven...Jesus is seated at his right hand...They do not leave Heaven...

The last one is the Holy Spirit who resides at the moment on planet earth...

Jesus is not indwelling anyone, including any Catholic priests...The one who indwells people is the Holy Spirit...And those who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit are as close to God as any priest, bishop or pope has ever been or ever will be...

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

And if we listen to the words of Jesus,

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Jesus did not say to come to a priest...Or Mary...Or a Saint...Jesus said, Come unto me and I will give you rest...Not Mary, not a priest and not a pope...

And then God's written words say,

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

And the throne of grace is not in a confessional asking a priest for forgiveness...And the throne of grace is not Mary...

I have a laser straight and faster than the speed of light cable connection with the one who created all that there is...And you want me to waste my time with some sinner like myself hoping he will forgive my sins???

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

I don't buy into your self perceived wisdom...Why, a man would be a fool to trust his eternal salvation to another man who claims to be Jesus...I could post scripture all day long refuting your human philosophy...

396 posted on 01/08/2013 8:04:24 AM PST by Iscool
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To: metmom

Amen to that...


397 posted on 01/08/2013 8:07:33 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Syncro
I did read the original text, not a headline. What you quoted is a headline. What was actually said about the Orthodox is
The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.59 Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church
and what was said about the other churches is
"Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation"
-- check what the Pope or Cardinal actually said rather than a headline from a news article please
398 posted on 01/08/2013 8:08:33 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: dartuser

still spreading what myth? about the original language of the gospels being Hebrew? You think that’s a myth?


399 posted on 01/08/2013 8:09:38 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Syncro

Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!


400 posted on 01/08/2013 8:10:50 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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