Posted on 12/08/2012 2:24:39 PM PST by NYer
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*But someone may say, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come back?”
The Resurrection Body.
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* You fool! What you sow is not brought to life unless it dies.
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And what you sow is not the body that is to be but a bare kernel of wheat, perhaps, or of some other kind;
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but God gives it a body as he chooses, and to each of the seeds its own body.
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* Not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for human beings, another kind of flesh for animals, another kind of flesh for birds, and another for fish.
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There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the brightness of the heavenly is one kind and that of the earthly another.
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The brightness of the sun is one kind, the brightness of the moon another, and the brightness of the stars another. For star differs from star in brightness.
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* So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown corruptible; it is raised incorruptible.
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It is sown dishonorable; it is raised glorious. It is sown weak; it is raised powerful.
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It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual one.
Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.
So the same bodies we have in earthly life—but our resurrection bodies will not die and, for the righteous, they will be transformed into a glorified state, freed from suffering and pain, and enabled to do many of the amazing things Jesus could do with his glorified body.
No. It is the same body we now have.
Thank you. My point was not about larger organization but that bishops rule their churches -- not any two individuals in them
So God does not need our works and for salvation they are not needed. Why then does the Bible urge us to do them? What happens if we don’t?
It helps to understand the question before commenting. You have no clue what the argument is about and I am tired of explaining everything to you when all you need to do is follow arguments and responses already there. Cynical Bear made that point, and I responded. Try to keep up.
Sorry forgot the link. Here it is.
http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2013/dialogue-between-christ-and-a-muslim.html#
I’m sure those were all your own original words and thoughts since there is no attribution given.
“So the same bodies we have in earthly life—but our resurrection bodies will not die and, for the righteous, they will be transformed into a glorified state, freed from suffering and pain, and enabled to do many of the amazing things Jesus could do with his glorified body.”
In your post of Paul’s words about the resurrection body he quite clearly says otherwise. and in fact says that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom.
So does this “glorified state” mean a body without flesh and blood? If “the same bodies we have in earthly life” then does that mean male and female bodies? Jesus said the heavenly ones would be as angels. (Luke 20:34-36)
>> My point was not about larger organization but that bishops rule their churches — not any two individuals in them<<
Rule ey? Do we need to go through that again? I thought daniel1212 covered that pretty well here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2966953/posts?page=603#603
I am not arguing anything in that post. I am clarifying an explanation so that you are not left with a sense that I contradicted myself. I did not.
it remains that Prot baptism is a denial of Rome
Such that are, are of course not baptisms at all and converts need to be baptized properly. No Holy Spirit has entered such ant-baptized "Prot" (your expression).
"Irregular?"
For example, not using the Trinitarian formula.
we go to Prots being Catholic at baptism
Because plenty of time a Protestant baptism is done correctly and has the correct intention of entering the convert or a baby (that, rarely in your environment); it does not have the perverse intention of combating the Church. This is how my wife was baptized in a Baptist church and she did not need a conditional baptism when she came into the Church. Her baptism was already deeply felt, quite Catholic, and valid in the eye of God. I, too, was baptized in a Church outside of communion with Rome, but that church being Orthodox it was already fully valid universally.
Is it clearer now?
Because of the hysterical anti-"Rome" attitudes of the Evangelicals, more Protestant baptisms are brought into question when people thus baptized come into the Church. Those are baptized conditionally: that is, we ask God that the soul that was baptized be blessed in the full communion of Christ in the Catholic Church, and the soul not baptized be baptized. Understand, dear convert, that if you are asked to be conditionally baptized while you feel baptized in your heart onto the Church Universal, that is not done to deny your original baptism but due to the impossibility to know that it occurred for all the Evangelical noise.
The same body.....with missing limbs? What of those turned to dust? Those Chistians burned to a crisp in Roman times?
The very quote you made says those bound for heaven will not have a fleshly body, but a spiritual one, not one of flesh and blood.
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Goes back to the idea that Catholics and Muslims serve the same God. My comments stand. Written by someone who really doesn’t know scripture. Has admitted that he “learned a lot” from the RCC though.
In the early church, they were married. We have married priests today, but rarely.
So yes she did “have a clue” and obviously caught the obfuscation.
I explained his mistakes in here. However, Daniel's post was not on the topic of the authority of bishops at all; are you confused about what you are trying to argue here?
Wrong again. Sad that you do not recognize Holy Scripture, but then when you have such an odd worldview as yours, I guess anything is believable.
“But you obfuscated on the part ...”
Calling another FReeper a liar is bad form CB. Like when you called me a liar for posting the truth about your odd and unChristian worldview.
Both are true.
“We believe in the true resurrection of this flesh that we now possess” (Council of Lyons II: DS 854). We sow a corruptible body in the tomb, but he raises up an incorruptible body, a “spiritual body” (cf. 1 Cor 15:42-44).
See http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a11.htm
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